2.0 T FSI Quattro or not?

[Shep]

Hi all,
First post here so please be gentle with me!
I'm looking to buy an Avant for my soon to expand family. However, I am having a dilemna about whether to go for a quattro or not so was wondering what general opinions were on it. Also, I have read of very poor mpg with the quattro. Does anyone have any experience of typical MPG on the 2.0TFsi for either quattro or 2wd? Used to have a Golf 2.8 4motion and loved the 4wd but was very aware of the running costs!

Also, if anyone has any advice on what to look out for (I've heard of shoddy gearboxes) on these models please let me know.

[andy2]

I have a 2.0TFSI, quattro manual, 4 door, 55 reg, owned since new, with about 10k miles on the clock.

Last tank of (premium) fuel, I managed about 30mpg, on a mix of urban (London) on motorway driving. I have managed better- sticking to the speed limit on the motorway in particular gets much improved economy.

I really like the engine- good balance of performance and economy. Used to have an X-Type jag (also AWD) with 2.5 litre engine, and the performance and economy were both significantly inferior to the A4.

Early days, but the gearbox is fine so far, as are running costs (not needed a service or any other maintenance trips to the garage yet - the Jag was in and out of the garage on a regular basis!).

[Shep]

Thanks for the reply andy2. I guess you need to put premium in it then? Have you tried ordinary unleaded?

Also, what made you choose the quattro over the FWD? Did you test both?

[andy2]

No- I've not tried ordinary unleaded - premium is recomended for the 2.0TFSI although it can run on normal unleaded. In theory the engine runs more efficiently - and this should counteract some of the extra cost.

I only test drove a non-quattro version (as that was all they had available with the 2.0 engine at the time). Mainly went for the quattro for safety - had been useful in the Jag in poor weather conditions. Although given that the 2wd A4 presumably has ESP, it might not be that much of an advantage.

[skymaster]

I Have a quattro A4 and have found the handing a bit hard to get used to. I went from a V5 2WD golf to the A4. The golf had Koni suspension as well. The quattro really comes into it's own on fast bendy roads. With a good set of tyres on there the grip is amazing and feels really safe indeed. Pottering round town it feels a little odd though.

Cant comment on the engine as mine is TDI however I have driven the T urbo FSI and it's ace!

Do remember the 4WD system in the A4 wont be the same as in your old 4 motion. It's a totally different set up.

[adamss24]

I Have a quattro A4 and have found the handing a bit hard to get used to. I went from a V5 2WD golf to the A4. The golf had Koni suspension as well. The quattro really comes into it's own on fast bendy roads. With a good set of tyres on there the grip is amazing and feels really safe indeed. Pottering round town it feels a little odd though.

Cant comment on the engine as mine is TDI however I have driven the T urbo FSI and it's ace!

Do remember the 4WD system in the A4 wont be the same as in your old 4 motion. It's a totally different set up.
Hi, i am pretty shure that there is no mechanical difference between the old(b5 quattro) and the new quattro, being both gen IV Torsen centre diff. Both distributtes power to the wheels in equal measure, so the rear axle gets 50% and the front gets 50% of the power/torque. Exception from the rule is the new RS4 and RS6 with a 60/40 % split between the rear and front axle, for better weight distribution and power delivery. I recall that from the memory but i will check to be on the safe side. Others, please corect me if i am wrong...However, the quattro is different to the 4Motion on vw golfs and the quattro S3, these being a Haldex type(with a clutch type centre differential) and the power is mainly fed to the front wheels, rear engaging only when the traction is lost. The "old" Torsen set up is seamless and requires no maintenance, the Haldex requires an oil change every 40-50 Kmiles...I personnaly dont like the slip/grip traction on the S3/vw...but love the sure footed feeling on my b5 quatrro diesel. Cheers.

[skymaster]

You could be right. I was refering to the difference between an A4 and a golf V6 4 motion. They have very different systems but some people think they use the same set up. Audi refer to all their 4WD systems as Quattro depsite the fact that the A3 / TT platform uses a different system to the A4,6,8s etc etc. I think one is called Haldex, the other is Torsen

[adamss24]

You could be right. I was refering to the difference between an A4 and a golf V6 4 motion. They have very different systems but some people think they use the same set up. Audi refer to all their 4WD systems as Quattro depsite the fact that the A3 / TT platform uses a different system to the A4,6,8s etc etc. I think one is called Haldex, the other is Torsen
I was completting my post while you typed yours so you were right ! My appologies...I was comparing the quattro on the avant with the old quattro on the audi B5 platform. Then i realised you were discussing the 4Motion set up.

[skymaster]

No Worries.

[Dave Avant]

The quattro will sap about 10% of the fuel as Skymaster will tell you!! ;)

I get about 40mpg (reads 45 on DIS) obviously diesel.

But sometimes I do wish I had a Quattro, especially at this time of year!! If you are getting a turbo'd car, whether it be diesel or Petrol you will get a surge of torque at low revs which is what causes loss of traction.

I have a 1.9TDi 130 Avant and it has ESP but it will still spin the wheels and do abit of torque steer. The ESP is more of a warning than full control. :D

Although I have been driving the Z3 this week and it squirmed its way down a by-pass. :D

The Quattro models also tend to have higher spec.

If I was looking again, I would definately consider the Quattro. 5mpg less, but you can pull out of a junction in the wet and not have to feather the throttle!! :D

[skymaster]

Yes, I can confirm it does sap the diesel a bit. I didn't think it would make such a massive difference but it does.

I struggle to get 40mpg out of my TDI 130 which I put down to quattro. It is however great to have at this time of year I must agree! On a damp cold road you can pull away up an awfully steep hill. Floor it in 1st and it goes with no loss of anything!

My last car would have stayed embarressingly still with lots of screeching noise coming from the front tyres if I tried the same thing in it.

The main plus is the safety of it. The level of control you retain on fast bends in the 'wrong' conditions is excellent.

[Shep]

Thanks for the info guys, really helpful.
I test drove a 2.0 TFSI quattro A4 Avant sunday and absolutely loved it to bits. The missus loved it too, all was going far too well until we tried to put the pushchair in the boot but it only fitted diagonally due to the width!!! :( Unfortunately we can't have it because it's just not practical enough for us with a 2nd baby on the way. Soooo dissappointed, would have bought it in an instant otherwise.

Interestingly though, I also tried a Golf GTI and a Jetta 2.0 TFSI as well immediately after (ok so the Golf was just for fun :D ) They both seemed to pull considerably better than the Audi, a suprising amount actually. I guess the extra weight and inefficiency of the quattro may have held the Audi back slightly :confused: Neither of them really held a candle to the Audi build quality and refinement though.

So, I guess I'll be visiting the A6 forum now...

[andy2]

Sorry to hear you didn't fit the A4 - but sure the A6 will make a more than able replacement! Good luck with the babies!

[Teutonic_Tamer]

The quattro will sap about 10% of the fuel as Skymaster will tell you!! ;)

Two things affect that, the increased mechanical drag from the 4wd system, and the increased weight.


If you are getting a turbo'd car, whether it be diesel or Petrol you will get a surge of torque at low revs which is what causes loss of traction.

Huh . . . on a TDI, maybe, but the 2.0T FSI petrol lump actually has nigh-on no turbo lag, therefore no step in touque!


I have a 1.9TDi 130 Avant and it has ESP but it will still spin the wheels and do abit of torque steer.

I bet that is when the boost kicks in. What boots are you wearing?


The ESP is more of a warning than full control. :D

Oh, I have to disagree very strongly there. The ESP is capable of maintaining full control at three figure speeds. I had a sphincter relaxing moment on some French D road, belting along at 130mph on the rain, a bend appeared, didn't lift (no need for all the previous bends), noticed the surface change from aggregate tarmac to babys bottom shiny polished asphalt, visions of 100year old trees - to S4 Audi "interface", ESP light flashed away, heard the modulator kick in, rounded the bend without a twitch - phew!!!!


Although I have been driving the Z3 this week and it squirmed its way down a by-pass. :D

Good 'ol Bimmers!!


If I was looking again, I would definately consider the Quattro. 5mpg less, but you can pull out of a junction in the wet and not have to feather the throttle!! :D

Why - OK the quattro is nice, and handy for whipping BMW boys on wet track days, but the GTI with 200 horses through the front wheels doesn't have any traction difficulties, and not a hint of torque steer!

[Dave Avant]

We must rename you to the 'Quote Meister' :D I'll have a go.


Two things affect that, the increased mechanical drag from the 4wd system, and the increased weight.

Aye, thats why my Rover coupe turbo was faster to 100mph (in 15secs) than a Ford Escort Cossie with a fair amount of more power - just didn't cut it aswell in the corners!! :D



Huh . . . on a TDI, maybe, but the 2.0T FSI petrol lump actually has nigh-on no turbo lag, therefore no step in touque!

Yeah but any turbo'd engine is going to give much more of a dollop of torque at lower revs. Try wheel spinning a Civic Type R with the same revs. :D



I bet that is when the boost kicks in. What boots are you wearing?

Next own brand, with leather upper and rubber sole.... oh you mean.... ;)



Bridgestones, but to be honest, I was talking about when I had the Pirellis on the front, not had the Bridges on long.


Oh, I have to disagree very strongly there. The ESP is capable of maintaining full control at three figure speeds. I had a sphincter relaxing moment on some French D road, belting along at 130mph on the rain, a bend appeared, didn't lift (no need for all the previous bends), noticed the surface change from aggregate tarmac to babys bottom shiny polished asphalt, visions of 100year old trees - to S4 Audi "interface", ESP light flashed away, heard the modulator kick in, rounded the bend without a twitch - phew!!!!

I talking more of traction control than the brake biasing. The wheels will still do a good spin in the wet. But sometimes those smooth babies bums can give more grip than the rougher farmer's ***. :D


Good 'ol Bimmers!!

It can be fun!! But as above (re ESP) the BMW traction seems to cut alot more when wheel spinning, but too much sometimes and takes a while for the throttle to become live again. But tried and tested on a wet corner the traction didn't catch a slide, it was more my input that corrected it. :D


Why - OK the quattro is nice, and handy for whipping BMW boys on wet track days, but the GTI with 200 horses through the front wheels doesn't have any traction difficulties, and not a hint of torque steer!

I'm sure if you gave it a good poke (I don't mean dump the clutch) in 1st its going to atleast give a good scrabble. Unless you have a few cows sat in the front giving more weight over the front axle. :D

[skymaster]

Tutonic makes a good point about the Golf V GTI 200 Turbo. That GTI has an amazing chasis. Hence it works well on the A3 and TT as well. Everyone is raving about the new TT and thats before they have made quattro an option on the 2 litre turbo!

I was amazed when I drove the GTI for the first time, I tried hard to get it to loose it in terms of grip but it just kept going! I so want one as a weekend car. As Clarkson says.... 'Will have to work harder'

[Teutonic_Tamer]

We must rename you to the 'Quote Meister' :D I'll have a go.

Hehe! There you go, you can do it too ;) .

I just wish we could multi quote from different posters: - you said, I said, he said, she said, etc - in one reply!


Aye, thats why my Rover coupe turbo was faster to 100mph (in 15secs) than a Ford Escort Cossie with a fair amount of more power - just didn't cut it aswell in the corners!! :D

Hmmm . . . neither of them tickle my fancy!


Yeah but any turbo'd engine is going to give much more of a dollop of torque at lower revs.

I can't agree with the "any" turbo lump. Certainly, most diesels, and many petrol turbos (where the primary aim from the turbo was to increase top end power) would be prone to nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, . . . . . then protests from the front tyres and the whiplash as your head makes contact with the head restraint. The GTI motor really does not have any torque step at all - if the grey matter serves me well, 90% peak torque is available from 1,100rpm. OK, if you drive it like a granny, and let the ECU "adapt" to your wuss-like driving style, you can notice the turbo boost slightly differently, but still no real drama from the no-power-to-full-boost scenarios of lesser engines


Try wheel spinning a Civic Type R with the same revs. :D

I'd rather not, I wouldn't be seen dead in the fugly rice burners! Though my sis recently bought one, so I have to be "diplomatic" to her :D



Next own brand, with leather upper and rubber sole.... oh you mean....

Brogues, or Oxfords??


Bridgestones, but to be honest, I was talking about when I had the Pirellis on the front, not had the Bridges on long.

Hmm, both make crap tyres compared to other makes (apart from the P-Zero).


I talking more of traction control than the brake biasing. The wheels will still do a good spin in the wet.

I think with the traction control (ASR) system, it needs to allow a certain amount of spin, before the ASR kicks in.


But sometimes those smooth babies bums can give more grip than the rougher farmer's ***. :D

Do you have something to confess now Dave!? Just wait for us all to take our seats (formed in a circular fashion, in some dimly lit grotty church hall)!!! :biglaugh:


It can be fun!! But as above (re ESP) the BMW traction seems to cut alot more when wheel spinning, but too much sometimes and takes a while for the throttle to become live again. But tried and tested on a wet corner the traction didn't catch a slide, it was more my input that corrected it. :D

That to me really justifies the whole lie from the BMW marketing dept, on the fact they claim they are the ultimate driving machine, and the perfect 50:50 weight distribution, and that it is better to push rather than pull.

Rear wheel drive cars may be the ultimate in initial traction, they may be the most entertaining to drive, and they may reward the truely skillfull driver. But these attributes can only truely be explored on a race track. On Blightys' narrow roads, they are just too much of a liability, because there s no room for any error - and when the tail out moment does occur, probably 90% of owners/drivers just do not know how to control it!

With BMW, they are damned if they do, and also damned if they don't; regarding their argument for insisting on rear wheel drive - and they would loose face, particularly in the UK, where they enjoy myth-like status for their rear wheel drives - if they introduced their US/CDN market 3 series 4 wheel drives into the UK.

But sticking with their RWD, they cleverly market the 50:50 weight distribution, as the "perfect" method. What they clearly fail to mention, is their need for pleanty of weight over the rear axle, for good traction (as any Capri owners will eagerly tell, with the addition of a couple of bags of cement in the boot!). This "assistance" to the traction cause, then becomes the real achilees heel for the "dynamics" cause, because when the back-end does break away and slide outwards, the increased weight required for the traction then becomes a liability, by actually adding to the well-known "pendulm effect", where the increased momentum, from the increased mass, adds to the wayward motion of the sideways slip! It is for that very reason why BMW electronic stability systems (DSC) are far more agressive in their intervention, by killing the throttle as you previously mentioned.

For the "average Joe/Jane", BMW, and rear wheel drive cars are not relevent in todays' congested roads, and to purchase a BMW merely satisfies the misplaced egos/ideals of Bavarias' marketing men!


I'm sure if you gave it a good poke (I don't mean dump the clutch) in 1st its going to atleast give a good scrabble. Unless you have a few cows sat in the front giving more weight over the front axle. :D

Oh, you are absolutely right. I can induce wheel spin, in 1st, 2nd and 3rd - but only if I really want to, by being very agressive on the loud pedal (and I can also wheelspin in 1st and 2nd in my S4, but the road conditions have to be pretty appauling, and the ESP turned off!). I do suspect that the $h!te Dunlops dont really help the traction cause - I'll no doubt find out when they get replaced with some Mich PS2s in the very near future.

Cows . . . hmmm . . . does the one in the front passenger sea . . . no, I'm not going there! Cow $h!t on the road certainly adds to the reduced availability of traction though! :D

[stuart]

Yes, I can confirm it does sap the diesel a bit. I didn't think it would make such a massive difference but it does.

I struggle to get 40mpg out of my TDI 130 which I put down to quattro. It is however great to have at this time of year I must agree! On a damp cold road you can pull away up an awfully steep hill. Floor it in 1st and it goes with no loss of anything!

My last car would have stayed embarressingly still with lots of screeching noise coming from the front tyres if I tried the same thing in it.

The main plus is the safety of it. The level of control you retain on fast bends in the 'wrong' conditions is excellent.


Thanks for the info guys, really helpful.
I test drove a 2.0 TFSI quattro A4 Avant sunday and absolutely loved it to bits. The missus loved it too, all was going far too well until we tried to put the pushchair in the boot but it only fitted diagonally due to the width!!! :( Unfortunately we can't have it because it's just not practical enough for us with a 2nd baby on the way. Soooo dissappointed, would have bought it in an instant otherwise.

Interestingly though, I also tried a Golf GTI and a Jetta 2.0 TFSI as well immediately after (ok so the Golf was just for fun :D ) They both seemed to pull considerably better than the Audi, a suprising amount actually. I guess the extra weight and inefficiency of the quattro may have held the Audi back slightly :confused: Neither of them really held a candle to the Audi build quality and refinement though.

So, I guess I'll be visiting the A6 forum now...


Sorry to hear you didn't fit the A4 - but sure the A6 will make a more than able replacement! Good luck with the babies!


Tutonic makes a good point about the Golf V GTI 200 Turbo. That GTI has an amazing chasis. Hence it works well on the A3 and TT as well. Everyone is raving about the new TT and thats before they have made quattro an option on the 2 litre turbo!

I was amazed when I drove the GTI for the first time, I tried hard to get it to loose it in terms of grip but it just kept going! I so want one as a weekend car. As Clarkson says.... 'Will have to work harder'


Hehe! There you go, you can do it too ;) .

I just wish we could multi quote from different posters: - you said, I said, he said, she said, etc - in one reply!

You can!:approve:

To "Multi Quote" Select the posts you wish to quote, using the button next to the "quote" button, it will turn orange, then click "Quote"

[Teutonic_Tamer]

You can!:approve:

To "Multi Quote" Select the posts you wish to quote, using the button next to the "quote" button, it will turn orange, then click "Quote"

Ahhh, thanks for the swift reply Stuart. :beerchug:

I had used the multi quote option before, but only from the same posters. Never thought of trying it with different posters though :o . Must be my age, having a "senior moment" ;) . Good job you are around to wake me up :hitwithro :D

Rgds

[patrick]

Look. Quattro is Audi's middle name. There is no other option in my opinion.

Without "Quattro" I would have been dead a couple times by now. One should not even think twice. Sure it's nice in snow...but does anyone even bother to think about the rain? Loose gravel? Dirt roads? Ice?

Quattro is the only answer. Good luck!

Patrick
www.AudiA4Mods.com

[skymaster]

Yea, When ever I tell some one I have bought an Audi they always ask 'Is it a quattro???'


I do heavily associate Audi with Quattro and love the feeling of security it brings in poor road conditions

[Mokeylock]

I just joined the forum and was hoping you guys might know the answer to my question. I've got a Mk4 Golf 4Motion 2002 and my rear diff is faulty, i have just purchase this off e-bay (clicky (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=004&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&viewitem=&item=140088461623&rd=1&rd=1)) it's a rear diff and haldex coupling from a 2002 S3. What complications might I have trying to fit it?

I have asked around and been told physically they'll be a 100% direct replacement but apparently i may have prblems with the software and since the S3 uses the quatro and the Golf uses the 4Motion they may be a difference in the way they work, is that true?

Thanx in advance

[patrick]

Unsure about the rear diff. Could work. I would contact a dealer and check the part numbers on both cars. I do know that Audi parts use VW part numbers...it could go either way.

I did want to comment on the new B7 2.0T FSI Quattro. I drive a 2002 3.0 Quattro....but I did buy my wife a 2006 2.0T Quattro. That 2.0T FSI makes a WORLD of difference over the 1.8T. The new motor is incredible.

Patrick
www.AudiA4Mods.com

[Teutonic_Tamer]

Look. Quattro is Audi's middle name. There is no other option in my opinion.

Oh, I agree about the branding image of Audi, and the link with quattro. Sadly though, the "quattro" name tag, in some Audis is merely a marketing tool. IMHO, the name "quattro" should only be used when a Torsen centre diff is used, thereby giving true, permanent, full-time 4 wheel drive. I personally find the Haldex option extremely poor in comparison!


Without "Quattro" I would have been dead a couple times by now. One should not even think twice. Sure it's nice in snow...but does anyone even bother to think about the rain? Loose gravel? Dirt roads? Ice?

Quattro is the only answer. Good luck!

I have to disagree with you on the above points. Quattro, or indeed any 4wd is merely an aid to traction - ie, when you wish to transmit increased power to the ground for the pure purpose of increasing the car velocity (speed), be that to accelerate from say 30mph to 60mph, or to accelerate from zero velocity. 4wd provides absolutely no advantage to constant speed cruising, cornering, or braking. OK, there are some fundamental laws of physics which I have "avoided" (friction for one), but only to keep the issue in it's simplest form!

Regaring the road "conditions" - here in the UK, some of your points are irrelevant. OK, agreed, we get more than our fare share of rain, but then a lack of traction is not a concern; a lack of grip is a concern, but that is determined by tyres, not the number of driven wheels. Loose gravel and dirt roads are nigh-on non-existant in the UK (where they are used, it would probaly be by a farmer with a LandRover). When snow or ice is forecast, all major roads are treated with grit/salt mix, and snow ploughed. Sadly, the vast majority of British drivers are complete numpties in the snow, M&S tyres are virtually unheard of (apart from some remote areas of Scotland), and the country ginds to a halt at the mere sight of the white stuff.

[Teutonic_Tamer]

Yea, When ever I tell some one I have bought an Audi they always ask 'Is it a quattro???'

And I bet half of them wouldn't actually know what 4 wheel drive was, and the other half, when told "4 wheel drive" would probably think it was similar to a Range Rover, or RAV4. ;) :D


I do heavily associate Audi with Quattro and love the feeling of security it brings in poor road conditions

Ahh, but how do you know it is not merely the "placebo" effect? I often get to drive the non-quattro B7 A4s, and the handling and general "security" on the road is on par with my B6 S4 (of which they share the same suspension geometery, and ESP settings). OK, I can get any non-quattro to spin its front wheels if I "want to", and they obviously lack the power of my S4, but comparing like-for-like corner speeds, there really is no difference!

I probably realise now that my cheque from the Audi marketing department (quattro section) will be missing! :D :D

[Teutonic_Tamer]

I just joined the forum and was hoping you guys might know the answer to my question. I've got a Mk4 Golf 4Motion 2002 and my rear diff is faulty,

Hi, and welcome to the forum. BTW, you really should have posted this as a new thread, in either the Golf or Teechnical forums, but we'll let you off this time! ;)


i have just purchase this off e-bay (clicky (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=004&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&viewitem=&item=140088461623&rd=1&rd=1)) it's a rear diff and haldex coupling from a 2002 S3. What complications might I have trying to fit it?

I have asked around and been told physically they'll be a 100% direct replacement but apparently i may have prblems with the software and since the S3 uses the quatro and the Golf uses the 4Motion they may be a difference in the way they work, is that true?

Thanx in advance

OK, the "quattro" is used by Audi as a "branding" name for all 4 wheel drives, irrespective of weather they use the Torsen or Haldex centre diffs. The same branding method of "4motion" is used by VW.

The 8L model Audi S3, along with the 1J Golf Mk 4 share identical "platforms" or chassis floorpans. Therefore, there is an awful lot of identical parts (mainly engines, transmissions, steering and suspension components) shared between the A3/S3, and the Mk4 Golf. There may be a difference in software "maps" between the S3, and the Golf, and there may even be a difference in the final drive ratios. Your best option would be to compare the VAG part numbers on both units, and if there is any difference in the numbers, pop along to your local VAG *******, or GSF, and look on EKTA.

Rgds

[Mokeylock]

Hi, and welcome to the forum. BTW, you really should have posted this as a new thread, in either the Golf or Teechnical forums, but we'll let you off this time! ;)


Thanx for the reply, and yes you're right I think i'll start a new post on this topic now. I'm a member on two other VW forums and you guys already know more info than i've collected over the last few days... :beerchug: cheers

[Teutonic_Tamer]

Thanx for the reply,

No worries.


and yes you're right I think i'll start a new post on this topic now.

Ah . . . we have educated you in the error of your ways. ;) :biglaugh:


I'm a member on two other VW forums

Which ones?


and you guys already know more info than i've collected over the last few days... :beerchug: cheers

Ah, good. Our reputation must be spreading - as the best VW & Audi resource on the web. ;)

Ta :beerchug:

[Mokeylock]

No worries.



Ah . . . we have educated you in the error of your ways. ;) :biglaugh:



Which ones?



Ah, good. Our reputation must be spreading - as the best VW & Audi resource on the web. ;)

Ta :beerchug:
lol, the two forums are VWVortex and Uk-mkivs... both very helpful but this is the first time i come across this forum. I got the same user name there (mokeylock).

Thanx for the warm welcome :biglaugh:
Won't hijack this post any longer... here's where i started the new post clicky (http://www.vwaudiforum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?p=22266#post22266). If you guys could visit it and help me out with my questions it'll be appreciated.