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Veedurb
31-10-2008, 10:54 PM
Hi all,

I'm going to buy myself an Octavia Estate with a maximum budget of £5k as I recently had to let my beloved Transporter T5 174 go to pastures new. I don't know much about Octavias and so am doing some intel gathering. I'm away overseas until December and my internet connection is very slow so I want to avoid spending ages trawling through the forum for info (it has taken 15 minutes just to get to the posting page...).

I would like to know what is the best engine/model to go for for economy with maximum comfort/options; what are the major mechanical snags and points to look for when buying; any major issues I should be aware of and finally any useful information?

If these points have been covered before, as I very much think they will have, if someone could be kind enough to post the links to save me crying over the slowness I would appreciate it.

Many thanks!

paul b
04-11-2008, 04:58 PM
I too have recently joined the Octavia family.

I recommend an Octavia 1.9 TDI PD130. The PD130 engine is common in the A4, A6, Golf and Passat but is a bit harder to find in a Skoda. The 110bhp versions are more common in Octavias. Because the PD130 is common in all those other cars, the common problems are pretty much the same too.

From a PD130 you can expect 46mpg with the climate control on, on a good mix of urban and rural driving.

EDIT: As for common problems, there are things like the alternator pulley bearing, to test for this turn the steering to full lock while stationary and listen for a screeching/clattering noise. It is common on the majority of TDIs. Otherwise there is the blocked drain holes, just check all the electrics work etc.

Paul

Veedurb
08-11-2008, 12:08 AM
Paul,

Thanks for the info, I'll keep the mechanical bits in mind. My Girlfiend has a 53 plate A4 130 so I guess that will be the same lump!?!

The best I could get from the T5 was 36mpg on a long haul at 70mph so 46 on combined is way better. The majority of my miles will be cruising the dual on the work commute so it'll pay off!

I see you have a ??? face next to your T5, why so? Have you visited the Brick-yard van forum (link below) yet?

JC

Crasher
08-11-2008, 12:26 AM
My 2003 VRS is the best car I have ever bought. Came to me with a blown engine, a common problem with the 1.8T if oil changes are neglected and cost me £5k in parts to put right, no labour, no profit and no VAT so be very wary if you go for a VRS. Great car though and the pick of the bunch. My friend bought a 110 TDI L&K brand new in 2002 and loves it, it has been very reliable. One distressing feature of the Octavia 1 estate is corrosion of the tailgate below the glass and around the hatch handle corners, just had mine done and trade it cost me £140 with me striping the lower area back to steel and doing all the disassembly/re-assembly except removing/refitting the glass so budget £400 for a professional job.

paul b
08-11-2008, 07:04 PM
My 2003 VRS is the best car I have ever bought. Came to me with a blown engine, a common problem with the 1.8T if oil changes are neglected and cost me £5k in parts to put right, no labour, no profit and no VAT so be very wary if you go for a VRS. Great car though and the pick of the bunch. My friend bought a 110 TDI L&K brand new in 2002 and loves it, it has been very reliable. One distressing feature of the Octavia 1 estate is corrosion of the tailgate below the glass and around the hatch handle corners, just had mine done and trade it cost me £140 with me striping the lower area back to steel and doing all the disassembly/re-assembly except removing/refitting the glass so budget £400 for a professional job.

Wow Crasher, you spent £5k on your Octavia! Was it the dreaded 'oil sludging' issue? Or a hell of a lot more?


Paul,

Thanks for the info, I'll keep the mechanical bits in mind. My Girlfiend has a 53 plate A4 130 so I guess that will be the same lump!?!

The best I could get from the T5 was 36mpg on a long haul at 70mph so 46 on combined is way better. The majority of my miles will be cruising the dual on the work commute so it'll pay off!

I see you have a ??? face next to your T5, why so? Have you visited the Brick-yard van forum (link below) yet?

JC
Erm there are two types of PD130 engine, one with a 5 speed box and one with a 6 speed box. If it is a 5 speed it is an AWX like my A6, if its a 6 speed its got a different code. But yes they should be identical to the PD130s in the A4/A6/Passat models. The PD130 has to be the best diesel engine I've ever driven, and in the A6 it has to be the best car I can use everyday that I've ever owned.

And no I've not been on the brick yard forum, the VWAF is the only one I'm on. I suppose I should sign up to the brick yard one, as the Commercial Vehicles section on here is a bit slow. But it's picking up. :)

The :confused: face is about the colour... "grey white"... hmm I bet you see my point. :p

Paul

Crasher
08-11-2008, 09:34 PM
Wow Crasher, you spent £5k on your Octavia! Was it the dreaded 'oil sludging' issue? Or a hell of a lot more?Yes it was sludge, 35K miles without an oil change does tend to upset ones oil. The oil filter was a rusty but a genuine VAG part, I recon it was on its third oil change at 121K miles, complete madness! 1K miles before, he had booked it in for a service but at 500 miles left on the service indicator it let go. A genuine VAG exchange full engine, turbo and LUK clutch plus AMM, N75, 4 tyres, front bumper (painted) and numerous bits and bobs had it back in my care and now it gets Longlife 3 every 5K plus much TLC. If you think that is how much it cost ME then think about how much it would cost a customer? I have spent around £7k on it now just on sorting it out at COST but I love the car.

Erm there are two types of PD130 engine, one with a 5 speed box and one with a 6 speed box.
The AWF and AWX engines are absolutely identical with not one single component difference between the two. What is different is the ECU mapping and the gearbox, nothing else.

mluton
08-11-2008, 09:35 PM
Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeet

paul b
08-11-2008, 10:04 PM
Yes it was sludge, 35K miles without an oil change does tend to upset ones oil. The oil filter was a rusty but a genuine VAG part, I recon it was on its third oil change at 121K miles, complete madness! 1K miles before, he had booked it in for a service but at 500 miles left on the service indicator it let go. A genuine VAG exchange full engine, turbo and LUK clutch plus AMM, N75, 4 tyres, front bumper (painted) and numerous bits and bobs had it back in my care and now it gets Longlife 3 every 5K plus much TLC. If you think that is how much it cost ME then think about how much it would cost a customer? I have spent around £7k on it now just on sorting it out at COST but I love the car.

The AWF and AWX engines are absolutely identical with not one single component difference between the two. What is different is the ECU mapping and the gearbox, nothing else.
Wowee! 35k with no oil change! :aargh4: What on earth were they doing! :mad: There is skimping on services and then there is total neglect... I bet the poor Octavia loves you now! Hope it keeps repaying your faith. :beerchug:

It's probably not worth £7k with all those miles, but its a case of better the devil you know. I'm guessing you've got the version with all the kit, leather etc? :D I must say the black and white contrasting leather seats I see in Occy VRS's look absolutely gorgeous. :approve:

Point taken on the AWF and AWX... I suppose the AWF is the better one as I believe it can be re-mapped to an extra 15Nm of torque? But then again I'm not bothered as mine isn't re-mapped anyway. ;)

Paul

Crasher
09-11-2008, 12:12 AM
It has the Ĺ leather as in all VRSís and the factory colour nav (not working at the moment, internal data bus error) but the cars market value doesnít bother me, itís how much I enjoy it that maters.

The AVF canít be reprogramed to give more power and /or torque than an AWX as there is absolutely no difference between the two engines in any way whatsoever, no matter what any chip tuner tells you. The only difference between the two engines from the factory is mapping of the ECU, every single last component on both engines is absolutely identical from head, cam, block, pistons, crank, turbo, intercooler, injectors, AMM, wiring harness etc etc. The only physical difference between the two installations is one has a 5 speed box and the other a 6 speed with a 228-mm clutch on the AWX and a 240-mm clutch on the AVF.

paul b
09-11-2008, 12:28 AM
It has the Ĺ leather as in all VRSís and the factory colour nav (not working at the moment, internal data bus error) but the cars market value doesnít bother me, itís how much I enjoy it that maters.

The AVF canít be reprogramed to give more power and /or torque than an AWX as there is absolutely no difference between the two engines in any way whatsoever, no matter what any chip tuner tells you. The only difference between the two engines from the factory is mapping of the ECU, every single last component on both engines is absolutely identical from head, cam, block, pistons, crank, turbo, intercooler, injectors, AMM, wiring harness etc etc. The only physical difference between the two installations is one has a 5 speed box and the other a 6 speed with a 228-mm clutch on the AWX and a 240-mm clutch on the AVF.
Crasher I officially have envy of that interior! :Blush2:

Saw one of those interiors for sale on e-bay at £350... well if the car was for me and not for my son I might have bought it. :p

The wife mentioned swapping the A6 for an Occy VRS... hmm... thanks wifey! :banghead:

At least I now know if the A6 developed a terminal problem overnight then I wouldn't be restricted to an AWX engine only. :D Maybe one day someone should get onto these tuning guys and put them right, seen as they're identical, there should be no reason for one to be able to produce more torque than the other.

Think I'd be rich if I had a quid for every engine code VAG produced. ;)

Paul

Crasher
09-11-2008, 03:49 PM
Maybe one day someone should get onto these tuning guys and put them right, seen as they're identical, there should be no reason for one to be able to produce more torque than the other.

No I donít understand it either but Iím not a software developer and maybe I am missing something but on purely physical grounds there is nothing to explain it.


Think I'd be rich if I had a quid for every engine code VAG produced.

By my reckoning, without the few Seat and Skoda codes not used by VW and Audi, you would be in for a ďWindfallĒ of £899!

This list is for all the VW and Audi codes both car, commercial, industrial and marine that I can find.


122
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127
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496
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CK
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KE
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MV
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PA
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PD
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PL
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PT
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PY
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RD
RE
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RL
RM
RN
RP
RR
RS
RT
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RV
SA
SB
SD
SE
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SH
SK
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SP
SR
SS
T
U
W
WA
WB
WC
WE
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WH
WJ
WK
WL
WN
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WR
WS
WT
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XX
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YH
YJ
YK
YN
YP
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YT
YV
YX
YY
YZ
ZA
ZB
ZC
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paul b
09-11-2008, 04:05 PM
<Swear>!

Tell me you didn't have to type all of those in! :biglaugh:

902... jeez!

Paul

(P.S: Got a VRS exhaust for the Octavia, will try and fit it later on... with a bit of luck it will all be okay. Still need to do something with the bumper though.)

Crasher
09-11-2008, 04:18 PM
Yes, sort of. A bit of a mixture of cut and paste plus checking. 899 though, I duplicated a couple or three.

Get the hacksaw blade out. Drill holes in the shape required and cut between the holes.

greg123
09-11-2008, 07:33 PM
True it's common on post 2000 estates due to a manufacturing defect, however it's covered under Skoda's body warranty. Tons of threads on it on Briskoda, I just had my L&K tailgate totally stripped and painted, new badges by skoda completely free under warranty - they know about the issue. Done by the Skoda bodyshop in Nottingham and looks like a factory brand new tailgate.

The only time I'd be worried is if someone has tried to paint/touch it up without realising it's under warranty, as they may then not want to touch something that has been messed with. The places to look is right next to the lower edge of the rear window and round the plastic lock/handle surround, which can move and rub thus rusting the metal round it's edges.

IMHO, Greg.


One distressing feature of the Octavia 1 estate is corrosion of the tailgate below the glass and around the hatch handle corners, just had mine done and trade it cost me £140 with me striping the lower area back to steel and doing all the disassembly/re-assembly except removing/refitting the glass so budget £400 for a professional job.

Crasher
10-11-2008, 11:46 AM
They probably would not have done mine as I tried to touch it up first and it had already been painted before I bought it, there was also rust under the glass on mine as the window had been installed too low. Now the glass is higher up so it does not rub the paint. My friend had his L&K done by Nottingham VW (it took them three attempts before they got it right) on instruction from Skoda and it is going again, it is a design fault with the number plate light support, it digs into the paint. I have used some 5-mm non setting mastic rope (genuine) to hold the trim away so the plastic doesnít fret the paint.

greg123
10-11-2008, 01:19 PM
Yes I remember looking at yours when I was round there to see you, shame but agreed after it's been painted they wouldn't touch it. Bad story re VW, Farmers Skoda that did mine made a perfect job of the tailgate BUT they left my freshly valeted boot full of rust/sealant/paint grindings from the grinder, absolutely covered it was disgusting. Had to get the manager out and even then after they tried to valet it they still didn't get all the bits out. That's a major dealer, I wouldn't dream of returning a car to a customer like that! However, I paid £0 and the tailgate is literally like new, so I'm happy.

Agreed that if any doubt it's a good idea to do what you did with non-setting mastic, or some light bonding agent that's semi structural. I know of a couple of guys who cut out a thin rubber gasket which did the job as well. Whatever floats the boat to stop it rubbing I guess.

BTW congrats on reaching over 9,000 posts - don't know how you do it :D I barely get time to keep up with some of the octy forums!

Greg.


They probably would not have done mine as I tried to touch it up first and it had already been painted before I bought it, there was also rust under the glass on mine as the window had been installed too low. Now the glass is higher up so it does not rub the paint. My friend had his L&K done by Nottingham VW (it took them three attempts before they got it right) on instruction from Skoda and it is going again, it is a design fault with the number plate light support, it digs into the paint. I have used some 5-mm non setting mastic rope (genuine) to hold the trim away so the plastic doesnít fret the paint.

Crasher
10-11-2008, 05:54 PM
BTW congrats on reaching over 9,000 posts - don't know how you do it :D I barely get time to keep up with some of the octy forums!Greg.

I am the original post whore!

Veedurb
11-11-2008, 06:49 PM
Thanks for the advice guys. At what year did they introduce 6 cogs and is it only above a certain model that can get it?

I really want a 6 speed as last time I was back in the UK I kept trying to put the hire car into reverse on the motorway... :Blush2:

greg123
11-11-2008, 07:02 PM
AFIK only on the PD130, must be post 2003/2004?

Depends what you want to do, the 5 speed in the 110tdi is well spaced and has effortless cruising at pretty low rpm up to 90mph. If you want to have low rpm cruising over 100mph, you'll need the 6-speed. The 6-speed is also nice to use full stop, but you don't see much in it between the two unless you start to go FAST. The 6-speed is much better for tuning, so if you plan to upgrade to 180+bhp it might be better. The 110tdi will chip to around 140+bhp dead easy and the 5-speed will handle that just fine.

The 110tdi running well is a very capable car, effortless cruising at illegal speeds and pulls very well. The deciding factor for me to recomend it to most is that it will clear 10mpg more than the PD. Nearly 50 in general driving is possible in the PD, but I see over 60mpg average from several people on the 110tdi. Getting it down BELOW 50mpg is actually quite hard which given the size/performance is quite something.

IMHO of course. The PD and a 6 speed is quite a swift beast too, so much I worry I'm always belting off too fast in them. VRS's and the like need 4,000rpm before they start to catch up, so unless balls out racing feel slow in comparison (I'm comparing to the 150 and 180 as well as the 180 quattro - all driven recently).

Greg.


Thanks for the advice guys. At what year did they introduce 6 cogs and is it only above a certain model that can get it?

I really want a 6 speed as last time I was back in the UK I kept trying to put the hire car into reverse on the motorway... :Blush2:

pritch
14-03-2012, 01:52 PM
i know its a bit of topic but this forum wont let me post a new thread , i have an octavia tdi with asv engne , wanting to know if it could be changed to agr**** ? if so what would need to be changed or isit a straight swap , cheers

Crasher
14-03-2012, 05:53 PM
Why would you want to do that?

pritch
14-03-2012, 10:21 PM
because i have an asv engine thats u/s and cant get a asv engine now have been told an agr will fit and can get 1 cheaper. ktold they have different turbos an thats all that needs changing would that be correct ?

Crasher
15-03-2012, 12:36 AM
As far as I can tell the only part of the base engine itself that is different are the pistons when purchased from VAG but if you buy the pistons aftermarket they are the same so it will only be a duty issue.

Eshrules
15-03-2012, 09:04 AM
i know its a bit of topic but this forum wont let me post a new thread , i have an octavia tdi with asv engne , wanting to know if it could be changed to agr**** ? if so what would need to be changed or isit a straight swap , cheers

there are sticky posts at the top of the forum, before you browse down to the sub forums - explaining how to post a new thread.

Please don't bump a 4 year old thread that has nothing to do with your issue.