What oil should I use - 04 Passat 130 1.9 TDi

[TeaTimeGilly]

:drive:Hi

Got a Passat yesterday on a 04 plate (estate - 5 speed manual gearbox).

It's a 1.9 TDi 130 bhp (96 kw).

The manual says to use High-lubricity multigrade oil, either;

VW 506 01
or
VW 505 01

dependant on "Vehicles with LongLife service" or Vehicles without LongLife" service.

I have two questions;

1) How do I determine what engine type I have - with or without longLife.

2) I live a long way from a VW main dealer - what oil could I safely use if I brought it from a regular car parts shop (this is dependant on answer 1).

I need to top up, so I don't want to drive until I know what oil I can use.

Thanks for any help you can give.

Gilly.

[chrisvrscrx]

If you go for a long life service schegule then use VW 507.00 spec oil these tend to be 5w30.

I personally change my oil every 6,000 miles and use a VW505.00 5w40.

Because your engine is a PD (Pump Duse) then you must use the correct oil to avoid engine damage.

[shuggy1001]

Hi, i also have a quick question about oil grades - i need to top up and looked at my manual for the correct grades i needed, My A4 1.9 TDi is on a 9000 mile service schedule, and the manual says i need oil which has BOTH VW 500 and VW505. However, when trying to get oil in garages etc, i can only find oil with either 500 or 505, not both.
If i go for one of these oils, is there potentially any damage that can be caused, or will it be fine to just use either?
Any help much appreciated.

[Eddie]

If ur on the longlife service then castrol edge does the job only thing is its £40 for 4ltrs if ur on the 10,000 interval gsf do fuchs pd oil for £19.99 for 4 ltrs plus vat if its a 130bhp its more than likely a awx engine code its on a sticker in ur boot by the spare wheel. Ed

[passing]

someone posted a very useful list of the various manufacturers 505.01 oils on here a few months back and that was copied from a 2003 post I think. I lost my copy and have been unsuccessful in searching for the original posts. Maybe someone still has a copy ?

[chrisvrscrx]

http://www.vwaudiforum.co.uk/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=94


Everything you need should be here

[funk.doobiest]

Hi there, my first post here and right away I need your help. I have a 2003. Passat 1.9 tdi pd 96kw, and at the moment I'm using total quartz 9000 5w40 full synthetic, for year and a half now. Engine is running smooth, oil changes every 6000 miles, and is barely losing any oil between change intervals. Since It came to my attention that it's not a 505.01 standard oil (which i'm definitely getting soon for my next scheduled service) I'm wondering could it damage the engine in any way?

Thank you in advance, bb

[Gazwould]

Ooops , I know of a main dealer doing exactly the same for years supplying a non PD oil , it resulted in cam wear thus an injector missfire .

5W30 507.00 LongLife is a higher quality oil than 5W40 505.01 .

[funk.doobiest]

Ooops , I know of a main dealer doing exactly the same for years supplying a non PD oil , it resulted in cam wear thus an injector missfire .

5W30 507.00 LongLife is a higher quality oil than 5W40 505.01 .

Ugh..well, that sounds depressing. Thanks for your reply mate.

Probably going castrol edge or anything premium with a 505.01 mark next, don't quite see the purpose of using longlife oils with my mileage and change intervals, with my PD oldie.

[Gazwould]

It's the oils quality mate , 507.00 is superior to 505.01 in terms of wear etc .

[funk.doobiest]

It's the oils quality mate , 507.00 is superior to 505.01 in terms of wear etc .
My bad then, will look it up [emoji106]

[oilman]

Hi

I wouldn't say there is much, if any difference, in wear properties of 505.01 and 507.00. 507.00 oils tend to meet the newer specifications (not just VW specs, but Merc, BMW etc as well), but the 505.01 oils have high levels of antiwear additives. 507.00 oils are designed for long life service intervals and low emissions vehicles, 505.01 are for standard intervals in PD engines (so generally not low emissions). Unless you are covering a lot of miles, I would change the oil at 10k/annually and use either the 505.01 or 507.00. If it burns a drop of oil, 505.01 is often the better option as they are usually 5w-40, so a little thicker than the 0w-30/5w-30 507.00 oils. If covering a lot of miles, 507.00 is sensible. The problem with the long life service intervals and not doing a lot of miles is that if the oil doesn't get hot enough to evaporate off any fuel and water in it, there is a build up and that ruins the oil.

505.01 - VW / Volkswagen 505.01 Semi & Fully Synthetic Car Engine Oil (http://www.opieoils.co.uk/c-751-vw-50501-oil.aspx)
507.00 - VW / Volkswagen 507.00 5w30 Fully Synthetic Car Engine Oil (http://www.opieoils.co.uk/c-754-vw-50700-oil.aspx)

Cheers

Tim

[funk.doobiest]

Thank you for your elaborate and very useful post Tim, will check out my local dealer and see what they have in stock from your link. Any specific brand you can recommend from the list for PD 1.9 tdi 96kW awx?

Kind regards

[Gazwould]

505.01 or 507.00 ?

Main dealer or motor factor ?

[oilman]

Thank you for your elaborate and very useful post Tim, will check out my local dealer and see what they have in stock from your link. Any specific brand you can recommend from the list for PD 1.9 tdi 96kW awx?

Kind regards


Hi

No real preference, but I guess the Fuchs GT1 5w-40 is the most popular of the 505.01 oils and the Castrol Edge, Mobil ESP and Fuchs GT1 Pro C3 are the most popular 507.00 oils.

Cheers

Tim

[funk.doobiest]

505.01 or 507.00 ?

Main dealer or motor factor ?
505.01, not from the dealer [emoji106]

[funk.doobiest]

Hi

No real preference, but I guess the Fuchs GT1 5w-40 is the most popular of the 505.01 oils and the Castrol Edge, Mobil ESP and Fuchs GT1 Pro C3 are the most popular 507.00 oils.

Cheers

Tim
Will see if they have Fuchs available, if not will try out Shell, Total or Castrol 505.01 line. Thanks again!

[Gazwould]

Well my friend VW via a commissioned German labritory have labled 505.01 a medium quality oil and 507.00 as high quality.

Without going into too much detail about oil basestock groups and additive packages , here it is .

http://rs1310.pbsrc.com/albums/s645/Gazwould/Screenshot_2015-05-06-14-47-04_zpsxlmzl7ov.png?w=480&h=480&fit=clip

The 507.00 superiority is also confirmed twice more by two separate sources .

http://i1310.photobucket.com/albums/s645/Gazwould/a0afd9a1-3c05-4710-ae48-c546863a7514_zpsptpu77ch.png



http://www.audi-sport.net/xf/attachments/studio_20150502_193638-png.57468/

[oilman]

Hi

That's an interesting one, I've been told in the past that the 505.01 oils have very high levels of antiwear additives compared to other 'normal' oils, the level is similar to the top end performance oils. I've just spoken to someone who had an oil analysis done recently and his results showed the ZDDP level in PD oils are similar to performance oils and much higher than 507.00.

Cheers

Tim

[Gazwould]

That's true , 505. 01 does have a high anti wear additive package and those same ZDDP anti wear metals that burn as you know with high ash making 505.01 unsuitable for dpf.

There is a funny confliction with Quantum 505.01 ( VW's own oil )

So to develop a suitable high anti wear DPF friendly PD oil (507.00) they had a higher concentration overall additive package with higher quality ( higher group oil basestocks ) .

The result a better oil .

A LongLife oil has to retain it's qualities for longer , making it more , soot , water and fuel resistant .

It's a no brainer .