jimbof
08-07-2017, 04:40 PM
Brother-in-laws 1.2 12V CGPB Polo died in traffic - a few attempts to start / jump start by him and my brother, in the end they pushed it to a car park.
I got over yesterday to have a look - several fault codes, cleared them, attempted to start (turns but doesn't start), only code remaining is cam sensor implausible.
Against my better judgement (egged on by my little bro) bought a sensor today. Fitted, turned over a couple of times, loud bang and small amount of smoke under the bonnet. At first I thought electrical, but car still scans fine. Not dared turn it over again.
Look around the engine and find that a pipe around the back of the engine has come loose, but worse than that, it has snapped a middle section off (I guess due to pressure) - so it can no longer reach where it attached? Could this be uncombusted fuel vapour from previous starts having blown something out? Or likely a more sinister cause? I assume this was the bang, with the smoke coming out of the broken pipe.
Any ideas on anything I can to to investigate further? Petrols are all "foreign" to me... :(
Pics of the popped pipe section and where it went'
3351533516
Fault code remaining after clearing / start attempt:
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Address 01: Engine (J623-CGPB) Labels: 03E-906-019-CGP.clb
Part No SW: 03E 906 019 M HW: 03E 906 019 B
Component: SIMOS11.1 H03 9877
Revision: --H03--- Serial number:
Coding: 00110010000400080000
Shop #: WSC 31414 790 50316
ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM12MPI02103E906019M 001010
ROD: EV_ECM12MPI02103E906019A.rod
VCID: 2E59078E71E2E0314B-807A
1 Fault Found:
10980 - Camshaft Position Sensor (G40)
P0341 00 [100] - Implausible Signal
Intermittent - Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Readiness: 0110 0101
Fault codes before clearing:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine (J623-CGPB) Labels: 03E-906-019-CGP.clb
Part No SW: 03E 906 019 M HW: 03E 906 019 B
Component: SIMOS11.1 H03 9877
Revision: --H03--- Serial number:
Coding: 00110010000400080000
Shop #: WSC 31414 790 50316
ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM12MPI02103E906019M 001010
ROD: EV_ECM12MPI02103E906019A.rod
VCID: 2E59078E71E2E0314B-807A
6 Faults Found:
6351 - Cylinder 2
P0302 00 [101] - Misfire Detected
Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 19
Mileage: 120873 km
Date: 2017.05.10
Time: 15:21:52
Engine speed: 2893.00 /min
Normed load value: 96.1 %
Vehicle speed: 36 km/h
Coolant temperature: 88 ∞C
Intake air temperature: 42 ∞C
Ambient air pressure: 990 mbar
Voltage terminal 30: 13.609 V
Unlearning counter according OBD: 40
Number of cylinder 2 misfires in drive cycle-Misfires cylinder 4 from engine start to engine stop: 74
Misfire detection: counter in driving cycle-CTR_MIS_TOT_DC: 74
Misfire sum counter: carb A-MIS_SUM_A: 0
Misfire sum counter-Misfires all cylinders per 1000 rpm: 74
6319 - MAP/MAF <-> Throttle Position Correlation
P0068 00 [104] - -
Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 9
Mileage: 123481 km
Date: 2017.06.24
Time: 11:42:43
Engine speed: 2656.00 /min
Normed load value: 40.8 %
Vehicle speed: 96 km/h
Coolant temperature: 89 ∞C
Intake air temperature: 39 ∞C
Ambient air pressure: 1010 mbar
Voltage terminal 30: 13.812 V
Unlearning counter according OBD: 40
Absolute intake pressure: 43 kPa abs
Intake manifold pressure: target value-MAP_SP: 548.50 hPa
Reduced_throttle valve surface_active_total correction-AR_RED_SUM_COR_ACT_REL: 42.085 %
Throttle valve position: actual value-Throttle valve angle: 8.607 ∞
6326 - Leak in Air Intake System
P2279 00 [096] - -
Intermittent - Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Mileage: 123649 km
Date: 2017.06.27
Time: 07:44:59
Engine speed: 1930.00 /min
Normed load value: 91.8 %
Vehicle speed: 24 km/h
Coolant temperature: 42 ∞C
Intake air temperature: 20 ∞C
Ambient air pressure: 740 mbar
Voltage terminal 30: 14.116 V
Unlearning counter according OBD: 38
Absolute intake pressure: 71 kPa abs
Intake manifold pressure: target value-MAP_SP: 700.82 hPa
Reduced_throttle valve surface_active_total correction-AR_RED_SUM_COR_ACT_REL: 44.446 %
Throttle valve position: actual value-Throttle valve angle: 13.334 ∞
11836 - Cylinder Disabling
P130A 00 [096] - -
Intermittent - Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 28
Mileage: 120873 km
Date: 2017.05.10
Time: 15:21:53
Engine speed: 2301.00 /min
Normed load value: 31.0 %
Vehicle speed: 36 km/h
Coolant temperature: 88 ∞C
Intake air temperature: 42 ∞C
Ambient air pressure: 990 mbar
Voltage terminal 30: 13.507 V
Unlearning counter according OBD: 40
Time since engine start: 0 s
Engine torque: 134.75000 Nm
Accelerator pedal travel-Accelerator position: 79.00 %
Ignition angle of current cylinder: actual value-Ignition angle: actual: 0.750 ∞
10976 - Camshaft Position Sensor (G40)
P0341 00 [108] - Implausible Signal
Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 17
Mileage: 123469 km
Date: 2000.00.00
Time: 00:00:00
Engine speed: 151.00 /min
Normed load value: 100.0 %
Vehicle speed: 0 km/h
Coolant temperature: 92 ∞C
Intake air temperature: 36 ∞C
Ambient air pressure: 990 mbar
Voltage terminal 30: 11.882 V
Unlearning counter according OBD: 40
Time since engine start: 0 s
Engine torque: 125.31250 Nm
Accelerator pedal travel-Accelerator position: 0.00 %
Ignition angle of current cylinder: actual value-Ignition angle: actual: 2.625 ∞
10980 - Camshaft Position Sensor (G40)
P0341 00 [237] - Implausible Signal
MIL ON - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 19
Mileage: 121805 km
Date: 2017.05.25
Time: 18:06:47
Engine speed: 1000.00 /min
Normed load value: 59.2 %
Vehicle speed: 0 km/h
Coolant temperature: 88 ∞C
Intake air temperature: 33 ∞C
Ambient air pressure: 1000 mbar
Voltage terminal 30: 11.476 V
Unlearning counter according OBD: 40
Time since engine start: 0 s
Engine torque: 136.12500 Nm
Accelerator pedal travel-Accelerator position: 33.11 %
Ignition angle of current cylinder: actual value-Ignition angle: actual: 3.000 ∞
Readiness: 0000 0000
I got over yesterday to have a look - several fault codes, cleared them, attempted to start (turns but doesn't start), only code remaining is cam sensor implausible.
Against my better judgement (egged on by my little bro) bought a sensor today. Fitted, turned over a couple of times, loud bang and small amount of smoke under the bonnet. At first I thought electrical, but car still scans fine. Not dared turn it over again.
Look around the engine and find that a pipe around the back of the engine has come loose, but worse than that, it has snapped a middle section off (I guess due to pressure) - so it can no longer reach where it attached? Could this be uncombusted fuel vapour from previous starts having blown something out? Or likely a more sinister cause? I assume this was the bang, with the smoke coming out of the broken pipe.
Any ideas on anything I can to to investigate further? Petrols are all "foreign" to me... :(
Pics of the popped pipe section and where it went'
3351533516
Fault code remaining after clearing / start attempt:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine (J623-CGPB) Labels: 03E-906-019-CGP.clb
Part No SW: 03E 906 019 M HW: 03E 906 019 B
Component: SIMOS11.1 H03 9877
Revision: --H03--- Serial number:
Coding: 00110010000400080000
Shop #: WSC 31414 790 50316
ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM12MPI02103E906019M 001010
ROD: EV_ECM12MPI02103E906019A.rod
VCID: 2E59078E71E2E0314B-807A
1 Fault Found:
10980 - Camshaft Position Sensor (G40)
P0341 00 [100] - Implausible Signal
Intermittent - Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Readiness: 0110 0101
Fault codes before clearing:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine (J623-CGPB) Labels: 03E-906-019-CGP.clb
Part No SW: 03E 906 019 M HW: 03E 906 019 B
Component: SIMOS11.1 H03 9877
Revision: --H03--- Serial number:
Coding: 00110010000400080000
Shop #: WSC 31414 790 50316
ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM12MPI02103E906019M 001010
ROD: EV_ECM12MPI02103E906019A.rod
VCID: 2E59078E71E2E0314B-807A
6 Faults Found:
6351 - Cylinder 2
P0302 00 [101] - Misfire Detected
Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 19
Mileage: 120873 km
Date: 2017.05.10
Time: 15:21:52
Engine speed: 2893.00 /min
Normed load value: 96.1 %
Vehicle speed: 36 km/h
Coolant temperature: 88 ∞C
Intake air temperature: 42 ∞C
Ambient air pressure: 990 mbar
Voltage terminal 30: 13.609 V
Unlearning counter according OBD: 40
Number of cylinder 2 misfires in drive cycle-Misfires cylinder 4 from engine start to engine stop: 74
Misfire detection: counter in driving cycle-CTR_MIS_TOT_DC: 74
Misfire sum counter: carb A-MIS_SUM_A: 0
Misfire sum counter-Misfires all cylinders per 1000 rpm: 74
6319 - MAP/MAF <-> Throttle Position Correlation
P0068 00 [104] - -
Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 9
Mileage: 123481 km
Date: 2017.06.24
Time: 11:42:43
Engine speed: 2656.00 /min
Normed load value: 40.8 %
Vehicle speed: 96 km/h
Coolant temperature: 89 ∞C
Intake air temperature: 39 ∞C
Ambient air pressure: 1010 mbar
Voltage terminal 30: 13.812 V
Unlearning counter according OBD: 40
Absolute intake pressure: 43 kPa abs
Intake manifold pressure: target value-MAP_SP: 548.50 hPa
Reduced_throttle valve surface_active_total correction-AR_RED_SUM_COR_ACT_REL: 42.085 %
Throttle valve position: actual value-Throttle valve angle: 8.607 ∞
6326 - Leak in Air Intake System
P2279 00 [096] - -
Intermittent - Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Mileage: 123649 km
Date: 2017.06.27
Time: 07:44:59
Engine speed: 1930.00 /min
Normed load value: 91.8 %
Vehicle speed: 24 km/h
Coolant temperature: 42 ∞C
Intake air temperature: 20 ∞C
Ambient air pressure: 740 mbar
Voltage terminal 30: 14.116 V
Unlearning counter according OBD: 38
Absolute intake pressure: 71 kPa abs
Intake manifold pressure: target value-MAP_SP: 700.82 hPa
Reduced_throttle valve surface_active_total correction-AR_RED_SUM_COR_ACT_REL: 44.446 %
Throttle valve position: actual value-Throttle valve angle: 13.334 ∞
11836 - Cylinder Disabling
P130A 00 [096] - -
Intermittent - Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 28
Mileage: 120873 km
Date: 2017.05.10
Time: 15:21:53
Engine speed: 2301.00 /min
Normed load value: 31.0 %
Vehicle speed: 36 km/h
Coolant temperature: 88 ∞C
Intake air temperature: 42 ∞C
Ambient air pressure: 990 mbar
Voltage terminal 30: 13.507 V
Unlearning counter according OBD: 40
Time since engine start: 0 s
Engine torque: 134.75000 Nm
Accelerator pedal travel-Accelerator position: 79.00 %
Ignition angle of current cylinder: actual value-Ignition angle: actual: 0.750 ∞
10976 - Camshaft Position Sensor (G40)
P0341 00 [108] - Implausible Signal
Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 17
Mileage: 123469 km
Date: 2000.00.00
Time: 00:00:00
Engine speed: 151.00 /min
Normed load value: 100.0 %
Vehicle speed: 0 km/h
Coolant temperature: 92 ∞C
Intake air temperature: 36 ∞C
Ambient air pressure: 990 mbar
Voltage terminal 30: 11.882 V
Unlearning counter according OBD: 40
Time since engine start: 0 s
Engine torque: 125.31250 Nm
Accelerator pedal travel-Accelerator position: 0.00 %
Ignition angle of current cylinder: actual value-Ignition angle: actual: 2.625 ∞
10980 - Camshaft Position Sensor (G40)
P0341 00 [237] - Implausible Signal
MIL ON - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 19
Mileage: 121805 km
Date: 2017.05.25
Time: 18:06:47
Engine speed: 1000.00 /min
Normed load value: 59.2 %
Vehicle speed: 0 km/h
Coolant temperature: 88 ∞C
Intake air temperature: 33 ∞C
Ambient air pressure: 1000 mbar
Voltage terminal 30: 11.476 V
Unlearning counter according OBD: 40
Time since engine start: 0 s
Engine torque: 136.12500 Nm
Accelerator pedal travel-Accelerator position: 33.11 %
Ignition angle of current cylinder: actual value-Ignition angle: actual: 3.000 ∞
Readiness: 0000 0000