Chorus 3 radio: Support for multi function steering wheel?

[SchrodingersCat]

Hi!I am currently in the process of upgrading my standard steering wheel to a multi function steering wheel.
I have bought a new steering column clock spring module (8K0953568F) and multi function steering wheel.


With VCDS, in "16-Steering Module", under long coding, I was able to select the multi function steering wheel from the drop down box, click "do it", and the coding was accepted.


http://i.imgur.com/jYWJ7YM.png


Next, I went into "56-Radio", long coding, and then clicked on the "Multi function steering wheel installed". Unfortunately, when I went to "do it" I got the dreaded "Coding rejected Error 31: request out of range".


http://i.imgur.com/ntqMYv9.png


http://i.imgur.com/jyWZPcd.png


I have the base Chorus 3 radio installed. Does anybody know if this radio supports the multi function steering wheel? if so, how can I activate it?


http://i.imgur.com/skiAm3S.jpg

[Guest 2]

A good place to start is to use the latest version of VCDS - http://download.ross-tech.com/VCDS/download/G896/VCDS-Release-16.8.3-Installer.exe

[Gunnark100]

Are you sure, you have right 8K0953568F module for that? I just remember seen one case with stalk retrofit and there was no result also. Just a guess it might be issue here also or radio wiring needs modifications.

[SchrodingersCat]

Thanks for the respoinse guys.
@Chris, Are you saying that VCDS 15.7 doesnt support Multi Function Steering Wheel activation of the Chorus 3 radio? -I have updated the software but I am still getting the same error :-/

@Gunnark100, thanks for the information. I bought the 8K0953568F module off an American guy on ebay.com. I believe that the 8K0953568F clock module supports MFSW for the following reasons:
1. The module accepted the VCDS coding to enable the MSFW. I didnt get an "Error 31: Request out of range"
2. The website here http://www.cars-equipment.com/www/en/shop/steering-wheel-modules-3/oem-8k0953568f-multifunction-steering-wheel-controler/ specifies that this clock module supports a MSFW.

[Gunnark100]

As i said, it was just a guess...

Have you sedan or estate?
But, do you have stalks with onboardcomputer buttons and cruise control also and they all work, any of wheel buttons work or not, which wheel you brought?

As for Chris post, for example cracked software has lack of function and changing radio coding is one of them!

Copy from audizine, as you see mfsw and chorus work together!

None of the steering wheel buttons would work after retrofit Concert stereo.

My original radio system was chorus and i retrofit the Concert stereo.

[SchrodingersCat]

Hi!
Thanks for the response Gunnark100. I have a sedan. I previously had a 8K0 953 502 C stalks (sticks), 8K0 953 568 D clock spring and 8k0 419 091 A 1KT non-multi function steering wheel. I wanted to get cruise control and MSFW, so I retrofitted 8K0 953 502 BD stalks, 8K0 953 568 F clock spring and the steering wheel shown here:

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I programmed in the Cruise control with the 15.7 VCDS software with no issue, it is now working great. However, none of the controls on the steering wheel work with the Chorus 3 radio. The clock module accepted the MSFW code change, but the radio did not.

Do you have a link the article on Audiozine where they got the MSFW working with the Chorus 3 radio?

Thanks for your help! :)

[Gunnark100]

Do you have a link the article on Audiozine where they got the MSFW working with the Chorus 3 radio?


The audizine thread was opposite, he had mfsw and chorus and he retrofitted concert-it was just example that chorus supports mfsw!

None of the steering wheel buttons would work after retrofit Concert stereo. (http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/702537-None-of-the-steering-wheel-buttons-would-work-after-retrofit-Concert-stereo)

[SchrodingersCat]

The audizine thread was opposite, he had mfsw and chorus and he retrofitted concert-it was just example that chorus supports mfsw!

None of the steering wheel buttons would work after retrofit Concert stereo. (http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/702537-None-of-the-steering-wheel-buttons-would-work-after-retrofit-Concert-stereo)

Thanks Gunnark100, it is good to see that someone with a A4 B8 Chorus 3 has had the MSFW working. At least I know now that it should work.

[Gunnark100]

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[SchrodingersCat]

First off, let me thanks Gunnark100 for all the help and information over PM. I may not have got my MFSW working yet, but im learning a lot more about the issue thank to your help.

To recap so far,
I originally had the following steering wheel components on my A4 B8 saloon:

8K0 953 502 C stalks (sticks)
8K0 953 568 D clock spring
8K0 880 201 Airbag
8k0 419 091 A 1KT non-multi function steering wheel.
8k0 971 589 airbag harness with green/yellow connector and without MFSW connector

I wanted to get cruise control and MSFW, so I retrofitted the following components:

8K0 953 502 BD stalks with cruise control,
8K0 953 568 F clock spring
8K0 419 091 B WUN Multi function steering wheel.
8K0 880 201 Airbag. I kept the original.
8k0 971 589 A airbag harness with green/yellow connector and with MFSW connector

I should note that the replacement clock spring came paired with the stalks:
8K0 953 568 F & 8K0 953 502 BD, supposedly for a "2009-2012 AUDI A4 A5". It had "A5" marked on the back.
Also, the MFSW steering wheel came paired with an airbag and purple/yellow harness:
8K0 419 091 B WUN & 8k0 880 201 C & 4F0 971 589 A, all supposedly taken from a 2008 A4 B8.

I installed everything in two sessions.
In the first session, I did the components for cruise control. Installing the replacement clock spring, stalks and airbag harness with MFSW connector was straightforward. The replacement MSFW came with a purple/yellow connector. This connector would not plug into my clock spring, so I swapped it for the green/yellow connector airbag harness with MFSW connector. Using VCDS 15.70 I was able to enable the cruise control. I left the MFSW uninstalled and un-enabled. I had to make a small mechanical modification to stalks to enable full beams. I will give a guide on this in another thread. Everything worked including the cruise control and horn. No errors were reported by VCDS after an autoscan. Great!

Unfortunately the second session was not as straightforward. I removed the original non-MFSW and replaced it with the new MFSW. Using VCDS 15.70, I successfully enabled MFSW for the clock spring module. I got the "Error 31 out of range" error when I attempted to enable MFSW for m Chorus 3 radio module. The horn still worked. Unfortunately none of the buttons on the MFSW worked for the radio. Also, after an autoscan, VCDS was reporting a a steering error. A log using VCDS 15.70 can be seen here: VCDS Version: Release 15.7.0 Running on Windows 7 x64 Monday,28,November,2016 - Pastebin.com (http://pastebin.com/mfMkvZiR), or using 16.80 here: Saturday,26,November,2016,17:38:33:49450 VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator - Pastebin.com (http://pastebin.com/RpXgzSXh).



Address 16: Steering wheel (J527) Labels: 8K0-953-568.clb
Part No SW: 8K0 953 568 F HW: 8K0 953 568 F
Component: Lenks.Modul H16 0014
Revision: -------- Serial number: 90315IFO0005Z
Coding: 000016
Shop #: WSC 06325 123 12345
VCID: 3D692FF7FD7157EA3406779-8068


1 Fault Found:
01426 - Controls in Steering Wheel (E221)
004 - No Signal/Communication
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01100100
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 109
Mileage: 216076 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2007.10.26
Time: 22:11:45


http://i.imgur.com/yT7ZctX.jpg

@Gunnar, you asked if the pinout of the replacement harness was correct. I removed the green/yellow connector one with MFSW connector from the car and wrote down its pinout for the MFSW part using a multimeter. I also did it for the purple/yellow connector that the replacement steering wheel came with. I compared them in the table and image of the two connectors below.

http://i.imgur.com/RkkKyLC.jpg


http://i.imgur.com/1XPiegA.png


I can confirm that the pinout is identical for the MFSW connector to the clock spring connector for the replacement green/yellow airbag harness and the purple/yellow airbag harness that the replacement wheel came with. (As an aside, this would suggest that someone with just the yellow/purple connector cable could just file the sides of the purple/yellow connector down for it to be identical to the green/yellow connector harness).

I can leave the MFSW disabled for now using VCDS using the MFSW option for the clock spring module. They will fix the steering error in an auto-scan. However, it would be nice to get the MFSW working! :Blush2:


Would anyone have any suggestion on what I could attempt next?

[Gunnark100]

Its safe to say, i am out of ideas:). But as i said over pm, error code in steering module cant be issue with radio coding, it just cant see the buttons(and should regardless of radio coding)! But i see you used correct wiring loom also with index A as all recommend if you go from nonmulti to multi wheel.

Not our home language, but parts are the same:)

https://www.drive2.ru/l/9274438/

Круиз Контроль у�тановлен! — бортжурнал Audi A4 White Dream+Revo 220 hp | DRIVE2 (https://www.drive2.ru/l/5910725/)

and one from audizine:
DIY: MFSW Retrofit for B8 (http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/519585-DIY-MFSW-Retrofit-for-B8?highlight=DIY)

So maybe still wiring issue, module issue or buttons have fault!



01426
Operating unit in steering wheel -E221-

t
No communication




t
Implausible signal





t
Open circuit in wiring - loss of link between control unit and steering wheel




t
Incomprehensible messages on data bus (control unitand steerig wheel electronics are linked via CAN bus)





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Fault-finding in line with current flow diagram→ Current flow diagrams, Electrical fault finding and Fitting locations (http://ctrl:ext-slp=idp96320/)




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Eliminate open circuit in wiring




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Check wiring between control unit and steering wheel




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Replace buttons in steering wheel → Radio, telephone and navigation system; Rep. Gr.91 (http://ctrl:ext-rl=idp98528/)




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Replace steering wheel → Running gear; Rep. Gr.48 (http://ctrl:ext-rl=idp100064/)

[SchrodingersCat]

Het again, thanks for all the information Gunnark. I had a read through the guides you gave. From reading them, I saw that one fella had lights on the controls on his MFSW. It dawned on me that this was something that I did not have.

http://i.imgur.com/z2HHFlk.jpg

To confirm, I removed the controls and opened them up.

http://i.imgur.com/XgTBADr.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/bEDTAWo.jpg


Sure enough, there were LED's under each button. THese were not getting lit. This suggested that the controls were not getting any power. Using a multimeter, I checked the three pins going to the controls. The red wire was ground (whyyyy would you choose that colour VAG!) , but there was no power on either the yellow or the black wire. I went and tested all 1-6 pins on the MFSW connector. Pin 3 (red) was ground, but there was no power on *any* of the other pins.

This suggests that the issue is not with the MFSW. The issue could be with the harness, clock spring, badly programmed clock module or a fuse?
I dont beleive its the harness myself, as when I did out the pinout I would have tested all the pin connections with a multimeter.
That leaves the the clock module, badly programmed clock module, or fuse.

As such, I was wondering if anyone could help with the following two questions:

1. Does anybody know if there is a fuse that powers the MFSW?
2. If I am to replace the clock spring module, what is the part number of the proper clock spring that I should retrofit?

Thanks again for all your help. :-)

[Gunnark100]

1. Does anybody know if there is a fuse that powers the MFSW?
2. If I am to replace the clock spring module, what is the part number of the proper clock spring that I should retrofit?

Thanks again for all your help. :-)


Regarding fuse, its from lhd manual info:

Fuses on the passenger's side
Some of the items listed are only fitted on certain models or are
optional extras
Fuse list
Fuse list
No. Electrical equipment amps
Fuse carrier (black)
1 Vacant
2 Vacant
3 Vacant
4 Vacant
5 Steering column switch module 5
6 Electronic Stabilisation Program 5
Fig. 285 Diagram of
fuse box (left-hand
drive vehicle)
7 Diagnostic connector 5
8 Gateway (diagnostic interface for data bus) 5
9 Vacant
10 Vacant
11 Vacant
12 Vacant
No. Electrical equipment amps
Fuse carrier (brown)
1 CD drive 5
2 Switch module for Audi drive select 5
3 MMI/Radio 10/20
4 Light switch 5
5 Control unit for instrument cluster 5
6 Ignition lock 5
7 Vacant
8 Air conditioner blower 40
9 Steering column lock 5
10 Air conditioner 10
11 Diagnostic connector 10
12 Steering column switch module 5


F looks ok for you...its in german, mufu is mfsw, GRA is normal cruise control, FIS is DIS:)

Firma KOSTAL:
8K0 953 568 B : GRA, MUFU, FIS (nur bei A5 MJ 2008 bis 09/2007, anderer Airbaganschluss als bei den neueren, das gilt auch für ohne Index bis Index C, passt auf keinen Fall in den A4 8K!)
8K0 953 568 D : FIS, kein GRA, kein MUFU
8K0 953 568 E : GRA, FIS, kein MUFU!
8K0 953 568 F : GRA, MUFU, FIS, kein ACC!
8K0 953 568 G : GRA, ACC, MUFU, FIS,...
8K0 953 568 J : FIS, kein GRA, kein MUFU
8K0 953 568 K :GRA, FIS, kein MUFU!
8K0 953 568 L : GRA, MUFU, FIS, kein ACC!
8K0 953 568 M : FIS, GRA, MUFU,ACC

Firma VALEO (ab 1/2011):

8R0 953 568 H : FIS, kein GRA, kein MUFU
8R0 953 568 J : GRA, FIS, kein MUFU!
8R0 953 568 K : MuFu-tauglich, GRA, FIS, kein ACC
8R0 953 568 M : GRA,FIS,MuFu, ACC
FL:
8R0 953 568 N : FIS, kein GRA, kein MUFU
8R0 953 568 P : FIS, GRA?, kein Mufu
8R0 953 568 Q : GRA, MUFU, FIS, kein ACC!
8R0 953 568 R : Mufu; GRA; ACC; Side Assist; FIS
8R0 953 568 S : FIS, GRA, MUFU, ACC

Lenkstockhebel und Lenksäulenstg müssen vom gleichen Hersteller sein!
8R0...=VALEO
8K0...=KOSTAL
4G0...=VALEO
4G8...=KOSTAL

Welcher Hersteller verbaut ist, ist nur durch Auslesen oder Ausbau erkenntlich!
Die Variante 8K0 953 568 G,M und 8R0 953 568 M,S sind die mit allen Funktionen, 8K0 953 568 M und 8R0 953 568 M,S werden über den Ersatzteilweg für den A4,A5,Q5 angeboten.

[Lockstock]

Hi. I have an A4 b7 S-Line saloon, and I'm facing the same problem, I don't know if the mfsw is in 100% working order-Ebay.....I've been to a garage who work on coding, servicing etc VW's & Audis and I left disappointed as their engineer came out of the service area and explained that there may be wiring that is not present, so not able to get it all working......The horn works so I'm pretty sure all is ok, I do wish I could get answers as I really had to 'hunt' to get the part to remove the wheel and I so wanted to upgrade the wheel.
If you get answers will you post them? If I do i will be back here!
Kind regards
Lockstock