Which tiptronic gearbox oil

[Chriseybaby]

I'm getting myself confused over oils

Audi confirm that my gearbox needs G 060 162 A2 oil.

I just want I've found a couple that seem to match the spec, can someone confirm if either of these will be ok?

6 Liter ATF 8HP Automatik-Getriebeöl für VW G 060 162 A1 / A2 / A6, Audi | eBay (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/6-Liter-ATF-8HP-Automatik-Getriebeol-fur-VW-G-060-162-A1-A2-A6-Audi-/181329388878?hash=item2a3812e54e)

1 (1x1) Liter MANNOL AG 60 Automatik Getriebeöl/ ATF Öl/ für ZF 8HP/ 9HP/ VW | eBay (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1-1x1-Liter-MANNOL-AG-60-Automatik-Getriebeol-ATF-Ol-fur-ZF-8HP-9HP-VW-/321621453488?hash=item4ae221eab0)

I don't fancy paying Audi £31 per litre.

[B5NUT]

I would use the ZF Lifeguard fluid 6 Original ZF LifeGuardFluid 6 Automatikgetriebe 6 Liter - GETRIEBEÖL 6HP | eBay (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Original-ZF-LifeGuardFluid-6-Automatikgetriebe-6-Liter-GETRIEBEOL-6HP-/121136880216?hash=item1c34521a58) This will be the same fluid that Audi use but without their mark-up!

[Chriseybaby]

Thanks for the link but thats G 0550005 A1 / A2 / A6

I've had a look at what the seller has and they don't seem to have anything for G 060 162 A2 does that matter?

[MarkTM]

I used this:

ZF Lifeguard 6, Shell M 1375.4,Transmission Fluid, ATF, (http://www.bristoltransmissions.co.uk/shop/product.php?id_product=88)

They also do the original LG6 at £15.60pl

Appreciate that the tiptronic system holds 10l inc the torque convertor, In my case they drained out 7.25l and refilled 8, so there was still 2l of old fluid making your fluid change 80% new.

ZF recommend a change at 80k and 50k thereafter.

Regardless of which fluid used please ensure you do the ZF bolt tightening sequence once the tranny pan is off.

[gupsterg]

I'm getting myself confused over oils

Audi confirm that my gearbox needs G 060 162 A2 oil.

IIRC that's Lifeguard 8.

Have you checked what software your tranny has?

Some info in this post Link:- Tiptronic Oil Change DIY Update (http://www.vwaudiforum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php/150636-Tiptronic-Oil-Change-DIY-Update?p=846833#post846833)

[Chriseybaby]

I saw that thread earlier and thats why I got confused.

No I don't know my software version, do you happen to remember what the version would be if I had had the update?

Hopefully I can find someone with VCDS, who won't charge the earth, to check for me.

[gupsterg]

I saw that thread earlier and thats why I got confused.

Ahhh, sorry will look at that post again to see if can make it better :Blush:.


No I don't know my software version, do you happen to remember what the version would be if I had had the update?

Would need the 3 letter transmission code to cross ref list, you can check on data sticker in spare wheel well / service log, mines HKG.

http://i.imgur.com/dbqTJcH.jpg

Serial be handy also, you can see a plate on the base of tranny with it on, VCDS log of module 02 would also have it.

[Chriseybaby]

It makes sense, I just couldn't make out what the new version of the software would be.

I've had a look and I believe my transmission code is JML (Or HNN JML)

I'm at work so won't be able to get under the car to get the serial (I assume you can only see the plate from underneath?)

[gupsterg]

I've had a look and I believe my transmission code is JML (Or HNN JML)

Cheers.


I'm at work so won't be able to get under the car to get the serial (I assume you can only see the plate from underneath?)

Yes.

[rowdy-999]

MEYLE PLUS 6 ATF AUTO GEARBOX OIL 1L FLUID BMW 83220142516 VW AUDI G055005A2 | eBay (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/171696602300?ssPageName=STRK:MESINDXX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1436.l2649)

This is the same as Audi/shell/ZF6 oil.

[gianton]

I used the Ravenol ATF 6HP Oil for the 2 changes on mine.

RAVENOL ATF 6HP Fluid - Ravenol (http://www.ravenol.de/en/produkte/verwendung/d/Product/show/p/ravenol-atf-6hp-fluid.html)

[gianton]

I used this:

ZF Lifeguard 6, Shell M 1375.4,Transmission Fluid, ATF, (http://www.bristoltransmissions.co.uk/shop/product.php?id_product=88)

They also do the original LG6 at £15.60pl

Appreciate that the tiptronic system holds 10l inc the torque convertor, In my case they drained out 7.25l and refilled 8, so there was still 2l of old fluid making your fluid change 80% new.

ZF recommend a change at 80k and 50k thereafter.

Regardless of which fluid used please ensure you do the ZF bolt tightening sequence once the tranny pan is off.

Hi Mark,

Is this the ZF bolt tightening sequence?

http://i.imgur.com/A4YDMzm.jpg

I found it here: How to change oil - ZF Friedrichshafen AG (http://www.zf.com/brands/en_de/zf_parts/technology_in_practice_zp/oil_change_procedure_zp/how-to-change-oil.html)

[MarkTM]

Yep that is it, but a previous poster had it removed as it infringed copyright...hope you're luckier! :)

[gianton]

Yep that is it, but a previous poster had it removed as it infringed copyright...hope you're luckier! :)

From what I understand from that site though, is that this is for re-assebling the oil pan.


Assemble the oil pan complete with new seal. Plastic oil pans are fully replaced. In this case, the oil filter and seal are integrated in the new pan. When assembling the oil pan, ensure that the new screws are tightened in the correct sequence and that the stipulated tightening torque is applied..

[MarkTM]

Ooops sorry!

This one is for the internal bolt tightening sequence:

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Copy it quick!

[gianton]

Ooops sorry!

This one is for the internal bolt tightening sequence:

28786

Copy it quick!

LOL, thanks mate.

I will have my 3rd oil/filter change soon and I'll ask my local mechanic to have them tightened. Any idea how much force should he apply?

[rowdy-999]

Ooops sorry!

This one is for the internal bolt tightening sequence:

28786

Copy it quick!

Aren't they tightened correctly from factory?....or do they go out of spec?

[MarkTM]

They are bound to go out of spec as from memory 2 bolts are at a mere 2nm and the rest at 10nm which is nothing at all.

Won't spoil your fun of searching using the ref on the diagram...google can be your friend!

[Chriseybaby]

Based on the fact that Marks car is the same age as mine, and its highly unlikely that someone decided to update the gearbox software, I'm going for the G 055 005 Stuff.

[MarkTM]

I would ensure you order 8l to be safe, also I've had no problems whatsoever with the pentosin fluid that Bristol Transmissions used (link in post 4) which meets the spec & works out at £72.

DIY or are you getting someone to do it for you?

[Chriseybaby]

Yes I was going to get 8L. I've just put 8 in my basket at Bristol Transmissions and its added £100 for delivery! Might need to give them a call.

I'm not brave enough to DIY it but I have been quoted £94 labour to do it by a local Audi specialist.

[gianton]

I saw at the ZF video from the link I posted above that the use a pressured kind of pump to fill the oil. In both changes in Audi they used just a tank which they hanged it above the car and was filling it with gravity.
In both changes they filled around 5,5-6 litres each time.
Do you think it's better to find someone with a pump?

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[MarkTM]

Gainton - Everything i've read states not to use a pump to flush/suck out the fluid, weird that my place got out 7.25l though?

Chrisey - Yes noticed that am sure a mistake in their system, so worth a call when they're open as from memory they charge £10 for delivery

[gianton]

Gainton - Everything i've read states not to use a pump to flush/suck out the fluid, weird that my place got out 7.25l though?

Chrisey - Yes noticed that am sure a mistake in their system, so worth a call when they're open as from memory they charge £10 for delivery
Mark I mean to fill in the oil. ZF video use a pump while my local AD used just a reservoir hanged above the car and was filled just with gravity.
For flush/suck out the oil they just left it till it was drained.

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[MarkTM]

my local AD used just a reservoir hanged above the car and was filled just with gravity.
For flush/suck out the oil they just left it till it was drained.
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Perhaps they don't have the equipment in Greece?

[gianton]

Perhaps they don't have the equipment in Greece?

All three Audi dealers around my place don't have this pump. Only a specialized mechanic for auto trannys have it. Do you think it's better to fill in the oil with this pump?

[niall campbell]

http://bd8ba3c866c8cbc330ab-7b26c6f3e01bf511d4da3315c66902d6.r6.cf1.rackcdn.co m/AudiTiptronic2013.pdf Looks like its all covered there

[gianton]

http://bd8ba3c866c8cbc330ab-7b26c6f3e01bf511d4da3315c66902d6.r6.cf1.rackcdn.co m/AudiTiptronic2013.pdf Looks like its all covered there

It is indeed, thanks.

[niall campbell]

You could use a piece of garden hose and top up from above the engine.

The oils is runnier than you think and will travel down the hose no problem.

This how I do my manual cars, as soon as the 2 to 4 litres you put in the initial fill up is done, stick your thumb over the hose !

[gupsterg]

You could use a piece of garden hose and top up from above the engine.

Taz used a garden apparatus ;) Link:- ZF 6HP19A tiptronic gearbox (A6 3.0 TDI Quattro) - Page 5 (http://www.vwaudiforum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php/141671-ZF-6HP19A-tiptronic-gearbox-%28A6-3-0-TDI-Quattro%29?p=805990#post805990)

Apole did this great share on his DIY tiptronic oil change as well Link:- VW Audi Forum - The #1 VW Group Community (http://www.vwaudiforum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php/151502-DIY-Tiptonic-Oil-and-Filter-Change-3-2-FSI-Quattro)

[Chriseybaby]

Mark - are you sure the oil in the link is the stuff you used? I've ordered it and now it's here I can see is g 052 162 which definitely isn't the correct oil.

[MarkTM]

Am looking at my receipt and it states part code BTL9001 Aftermarket ZF6 full synthetic ATF.

[Chriseybaby]

Strange they must have changed the product code because my invoice says the same code but says zf4/5 so if you buy some more be careful

[gianton]

I got some for my 3rd change due next week. It says VW TL 521 62 on the sticker. If Bristol Transmissions use it as an aftermarket oil for the ZF6HP, I trust them.

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[MarkTM]

Strange they must have changed the product code because my invoice says the same code but says zf4/5 so if you buy some more be careful

Perhaps they have, but I'd be speaking to them to clarify as ATF1 defo is ZF5 :(

[gupsterg]

I don't think its the right oil, VW TL 521 62 = G052162 A? as well.

When I view the spec data sheet for Link:- PENTOSIN ATF (http://www.pentosin.net/specsheets/Pentosin_ATF1.pdf)1 (http://www.pentosin.net/specsheets/Pentosin_ATF1.pdf) it states also ZF spec it meets TE-ML 11B.

Here is link to ZF TE-ML 11 (http://www.zf.com/media/media/en/document/lubricantslists/TE-ML_11.pdf) sheet updated 01/01/15 if you search 052162 within PDF you get hits for 4 / 5 speed auto tranny , search 11B hits again not the 6 speed tranny.

Like Mark is stating it seems a ZF LG 5 equivalent, this also reflected in the ZF TE-ML 11 PDF.

This later dated post by someone on A8 Forum (http://www.audiworld.com/forums/a8-s8-d3-platform-discussion-60/audi-a8-d3-transmission-fluid-atf-truth-2882676/) also has info the same as what I found from cross ref'ing PDFs / VAG stuff for the post I did in 2013 linked in post 5 of this thread.

[MarkTM]

25k miles later and no issues, and promised I'd be getting them to do another fluid change at 30k miles...so will be asking them then why ATF1 was used.

Hopefully by gearbox won't explode before then! :1zhelp:

[gianton]

Had the 3rd oil/filter change today at 139k miles with the Pentosin ATF 1 oil from above. Old oil was at top contition after 30k miles and no filings were attached on the magnets. Previous oil was the RAVENOL ATF 6HP (http://www.ravenol.de/en/produkte/verwendung/d/Product/show/p/ravenol-atf-6hp-fluid.html).
Car drives smoother than before after these first miles driven, specially on "S" and while changing from 4th to 3rd and 3rd to 2nd gear. Hope it stays that way for the next 30k miles.

[rob-the-viking]

Hopefully I can find someone with VCDS, who won't charge the earth, to check for me.

I'm about an hour up the A10 from you mate and have VCDS, happy to hook up and tell you what you have for a fee, usually a bag of crisps or some biscuits.....

[Chriseybaby]

Thanks Rob I'll send you a pm

[cieranc]

Hi Gents,

Just been researching this topic, as I've got an oil change coming up on my 2002 Allroad with Tiptronic.

A guy I went to college with years ago is now a ZF reliability engineer for ZF Australia. I've been looking at this: http://www.smithandallan.com/documents/PRODUCT%20INFO%20ATF%20Premium%20MV.pdf that seems to be equivalent to LT71141, he thinks it'll be fine.

So this is where my money has gone :)

[Chriseybaby]

Bristol transmissions kindly exchanged the oil for me so I now have the correct stuff which was coded as btl9020

car is booked in to have the change done on the 20th

[gupsterg]

Bristol transmissions kindly exchanged the oil for me so I now have the correct stuff which was coded as btl9002.

SO you have this now? Link:- Bristol Transmissions product page for btl9002 (http://www.bristoltransmissions.co.uk/shop/product.php?id_product=84)

[gianton]

I don't know if the DSG fluid is better than the Tiptronic 4/5 one (Pentosin ATF 1). Both are not correct for the ZF6HP19 transmission but the closest one from the Pentosin brand I think is the ATF 1.
BTW my transmission is way smoother after almost a week after the change with the Pentosin ATF 1.

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[Chriseybaby]

That's the code the invoice said but they are in generic containers with Bristol transmissions written on. it does say it's ravenol so who knows what I've got. Going to have to trust them.

[Chriseybaby]

Just double checked and the code is actually 9020 which is this

Ravenol ZF6HP Fluid 1 Litre - Bristol Transmissions Ltd (http://www.bristoltransmissions.co.uk/shop/product.php?id_product=97)

feelimg a bit more comfortable with that one, I'll correct my previous post

[gianton]

Just double checked and the code is actually 9020 which is this

Ravenol ZF6HP Fluid 1 Litre - Bristol Transmissions Ltd (http://www.bristoltransmissions.co.uk/shop/product.php?id_product=97)

feelimg a bit more comfortable with that one, I'll correct my previous post

This is the same fluid (http://www.ravenol.de/en/produkte/verwendung/d/Product/show/p/ravenol-atf-6hp-fluid.html) I used in my two previous changes which is the correct one as per VW/Audi (G 055005 A1/A2/A6).
Transmission feels a lot smoother though with the Pentosin ATF 1 fluid (hope this is for good LOL).

[Chriseybaby]

Dropped the car off last night to finally get the oil changed. Looking forward to collecting it this evening.

In the meantime I have a 55 plate tdi golf with 148k on the clock and it goes like a rocket. The garage also do revo remaps so I'm guessing the golf isn't standard

[gianton]

Had the 3rd oil/filter change today at 139k miles with the Pentosin ATF 1 oil from above. Old oil was at top contition after 30k miles and no filings were attached on the magnets. Previous oil was the RAVENOL ATF 6HP (http://www.ravenol.de/en/produkte/verwendung/d/Product/show/p/ravenol-atf-6hp-fluid.html).
Car drives smoother than before after these first miles driven, specially on "S" and while changing from 4th to 3rd and 3rd to 2nd gear. Hope it stays that way for the next 30k miles.
A little update after 600+ miles done after last oil/filter change.
Tranny feels a lot smoother and most importantly is that accelerates harder than before which is a big plus to me. I noticed that it stays on higher gears longer till it changes on a lower gear and also the bouncing revs while going downhill has almost gone.
I think I will stick to Pentosin ATF-1 fluid for the next change.

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