Seat exeo 2.0 tdi caga 6 speed box

[rchads89]

Hi all,

Recently purchased a seat exeo 59 reg with 81k on cars lovely to drive but problem I do have is getting into 2nd gear from cold and also 3rd feels notchy...

I have changed the gearbox fluid to the oem stuff from Febi really thin fluid but it's not made a difference....

At Work we do a lucas transmission fix basically made in the USA so the products do as they say on the tin and the transmission fix people speak highly of it.

Shall I put this in or try and lubricate the linkage ?

[stuart]

I think this is a common issue... :(

Up until July last year when my new car arrived, I owned a 170TDi Exeo that always had that issue from day 1.. Always hard/difficult 1st to 2nd when cold . Here is my post on SeatCupra.net

Gearchange 1st to 2nd? - SEAT Cupra.net - SEAT Forum (http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=292951)

Never sorted mine, just got used to it... Lol Had the car from new for 3 and half years, fantastic car, loved it...

[turpal]

I don`t think the linkage is the issue there,2.0tdi cr have a bad quality gearboxes and I believe the 1.6tdi is the same but no personal experience yet.The problem I have come across is the main shaft bearings.There are 2 grades of oil listed for these and one is thinner than the other.Listen for any noises when clutch is pressed.All modern cars made of plastic I`m afraid.

[rchads89]

I think this is a common issue... :(

Up until July last year when my new car arrived, I owned a 170TDi Exeo that always had that issue from day 1.. Always hard/difficult 1st to 2nd when cold . Here is my post on SeatCupra.net

Gearchange 1st to 2nd? - SEAT Cupra.net - SEAT Forum (http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=292951)

Never sorted mine, just got used to it... Lol Had the car from new for 3 and half years, fantastic car, loved it...
Great knew it would be, well sounds like I've not got much to lose then with the lucas transmission fix, ill try that and also will try to lube the gear linkage.

It must be the same on the a4s then? And the rest of the german 6 speed boxes ?

[stuart]

As I say I purchase mine new, Registered November 5th 2010, as you can see I posted that on the 14th so it was an issue from day one... Never really bothered me once I got used to it, I found if you took it easy when cold, depressed the clutch and waited a second or so to go to 2nd it was OK, seemed worse if you changed quick and the revs where high...

Did 27000 happy miles in that car...

[rchads89]

I don`t think the linkage is the issue there,2.0tdi cr have a bad quality gearboxes and I believe the 1.6tdi is the same but no personal experience yet.The problem I have come across is the main shaft bearings.There are 2 grades of oil listed for these and one is thinner than the other.Listen for any noises when clutch is pressed.All modern cars made of plastic I`m afraid.
That doesn't make any sense.

The gearboxes are transverse and gearbox specialists I have spoken to don't have any problems with them. I have put the thinner oil in from the oem number but like I said not made a difference.

[turpal]

Great knew it would be, well sounds like I've not got much to lose then with the lucas transmission fix, ill try that and also will try to lube the gear linkage.

It must be the same on the a4s then? And the rest of the german 6 speed boxes ?

A4`s have different boxes but quality build might be the same or better.If the shaft bearings making noise it is risky to drive.I bought a corolla for the wife with the same g/box bearing issue and while driving it from my workshop round the block to park up the gearbox locked up.However if there is no noise lucas might do the job.Also zx1 is probably is better as they claim it bonds to the metal rather than changing the viscosity.

[rchads89]

A4`s have different boxes but quality build might be the same or better.If the shaft bearings making noise it is risky to drive.I bought a corolla for the wife with the same g/box bearing issue and while driving it from my workshop round the block to park up the gearbox locked up.However if there is no noise lucas might do the job.Also zx1 is probably is better as they claim it bonds to the metal rather than changing the viscosity.
Ahhh strange that because at work the cr 2.0 tdi caga engines throughout the range vw,audi,seat,skoda have the same gearboxes in. Same oem number.

The shaft bearing isn't making a noise, no noises what so ever from the gearbox. Still unsure as to why you say there bad gearboxes. I have read and heard people saying how mostly all 6 speed gearboxes are ropey 2nd and 3rd. Just like to try and cure the problem or make it less noticeable

[rchads89]

I'll put the lucas transmission fix in over the weekend and see what I achieve.

[rchads89]

going back onto this, 1st to 2nd is better, but on selecting 3rd gear I get like a noise from underneeth the car sounds like a rod or linkage doesnt do it every time. . . I have taken it to 2 gearbox specalists and they say its nothing to do with inside the box not the syncro or anything.

Anyone any ideas what could cause this please? as it doesnt have a linkage as such ive been told.

Thanks

[rchads89]

Just an update on this selecting 3rd from 2nd to 3rd the notch is still there doesn't happen every time and it doesn't do it on the downshift never has which is strange could it be anything directly under the gearstick that can cause the problem?

[rchads89]

Update - for those that are interested put in some titan 75w gl-4 the gearbox is a lot better 2nd gear goes in now a lot smoother and the 3rd gear notchyness is a lot better not perfect but don't hardley notice it now!!!

Can't believe the difference going from a gl-5 75-80w to a gl-4 75w its unreal the difference its made.

[rchads89]

This made a difference for 4 days then went back to normal ....

Ive had a dual mass flywheel, clutch, slave fitted and put in some oem fluid from tps ... still have the same notchy gearbox ... annoying im thinking its a fault with the box.... unless there is something that can be played about with under the gear gaiter ?

Its a transverse 6 speed box transmisson code JWS if anyone has had any dealings with them?

[Ch1lly]

Having the exact same issue with my '08 Audi A4, whenever I change into 1sr/2nd warm or cold I get the sensation that I'm trying to put the gear lever through a brick wall to get it into gear!

Not tried anything yet as I have been dreading the thought and expense of a new clutch & flywheel. Is there a gear linkage which goes from the lever to the box? It seems a little loose, like there's 'play' in the gear stick when in gear or changing.

Going to get it properly looked at in the next couple of weeks, I'm hoping it's a linkage or release bearing.


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[rchads89]

Having the exact same issue with my '08 Audi A4, whenever I change into 1sr/2nd warm or cold I get the sensation that I'm trying to put the gear lever through a brick wall to get it into gear!

Not tried anything yet as I have been dreading the thought and expense of a new clutch & flywheel. Is there a gear linkage which goes from the lever to the box? It seems a little loose, like there's 'play' in the gear stick when in gear or changing.

Going to get it properly looked at in the next couple of weeks, I'm hoping it's a linkage or release bearing.


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My 2nd gear is not too bad... 3rd gear never has a problem going in just doesnt feel as cushioned as the rest of the gears ... it doesnt do it all the time which is really annoying.... from what people say at work all vw/ audi gearbox are a bit notchy there not silky smooth....

[Ch1lly]

Just had this part fitted this morning and I must say its like driving a new car!

ECS Tuning 8K0798151 (https://www.ecstuning.com/Audi-B8_S4-Quattro-3.0T/ES451040/)

I didn't purchase the part from ECS, VAG actually make the part and it's available from TPS for around £23 inc VAT.
The part number on the ECS tuning website is the same part number as the original part from TPS (8K0798151) and is listed as a gear shifter repair kit.

It's about 20 mins work to replace, so if you get a garage to fit, don't let them charge you more than an hours labour.


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[rchads89]

Just had this part fitted this morning and I must say its like driving a new car!

ECS Tuning 8K0798151 (https://www.ecstuning.com/Audi-B8_S4-Quattro-3.0T/ES451040/)

I didn't purchase the part from ECS, VAG actually make the part and it's available from TPS for around £23 inc VAT.
The part number on the ECS tuning website is the same part number as the original part from TPS (8K0798151) and is listed as a gear shifter repair kit.

It's about 20 mins work to replace, so if you get a garage to fit, don't let them charge you more than an hours labour.


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What was your symptoms before having the kit fitted?

Is it for a seat exeo 2.0 tdi 6 speed box jws code?

[Ch1lly]

You'd have to check the fitment as mine was fitted on CAGA engine/JJG Box.
The symptoms were sloppy gear shifter and difficulty getting into 1st/2nd/rev. Since being fitted 1/2/R are still more difficult to engage than the rest, but as the linkage is now tighter it's much easier to get the shifter to go where you want it

Purely for the sake of <£30 I would try it, for a car that's done 80k+ it won't hurt. Mine currently has 75k on and was faultless besides this.

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