View Full Version : Watchdog - Re Key security or lack of it on your Audi :-(
Pauls898
31-10-2014, 06:59 PM
After watching last night BBC1 Watchdog program it was pointed out that a thief with the right equipment can drive away your price Audi in under 2 mins? How you may ask by simply programing a Blank key.
They gave out a free phone number to book your Audi in for a FREE security software update 0800 093 0110
I have mine booked in on Monday to have this update carried out free of charge.
Just thought I post this in case you guys missed the program or catch it on BBC iplayer.
M1tchy
31-10-2014, 07:41 PM
Just watching it now. Scarily easy!
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zollaf
31-10-2014, 07:44 PM
since the beginning of time, car thieves have been able to overcome any security device fitted to any car. the pro's will buy a new model so they can then make the tools to nick them. it started with overcoming sophisticated key patterns, then immobilisers, and now these keyless jobbies. no matter what the manufacturers do, the thieves will work a way around it. simples.
i used to be able to drive off in my old nova in about 30 seconds without the key.
M1tchy
31-10-2014, 07:48 PM
Just spoken to Audi, no A7s are affected but the wife's A5 is and needs booking in.
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RichA4
31-10-2014, 08:21 PM
I think its worth a phone call to my dealer to see if any updates are required for my new A4 Black Edition.
I'll post back when I get an answer.
M1tchy
31-10-2014, 08:22 PM
Ring the number above. They will tell you straight away
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Pauls898
31-10-2014, 11:11 PM
As an added bit of security I took Ann's advice and purchase myself a "Stoplock" Steering wheel lock for £49.99 from Halfords, small price to pay if it deters them from stealing my car :-)
M1tchy
31-10-2014, 11:21 PM
Might see if I can get a spare claymore from work! Lol
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Beagler
31-10-2014, 11:59 PM
Take a look on YouTube and see how long it takes for thieves to deal with this lock ......... Seems these type of locks are not so secure.
Pauls898
01-11-2014, 03:14 PM
I just did, I see what you mean, the buggers just take a hack saw and cut though the steering wheel rim :-( Simples...... :-(
Beagler
01-11-2014, 03:56 PM
I just did, I see what you mean, the buggers just take a hack saw and cut though the steering wheel rim :-( Simples...... :-(
Its the ease at which they can pick the lock with that gadget thats so disheartening.:zx11:
Redders2
01-11-2014, 08:20 PM
I rang today, all my updates are up to date. Not sure if that means my car is now safe from thieves?!!?
RichA4
01-11-2014, 10:18 PM
Ring the number above. They will tell you straight away
I'm assuming to mean the phone number given during the Watchdog program as you do not include one in your post :Blush2:
M1tchy
01-11-2014, 10:29 PM
The first post in the thread has the number and is what I was referring to.
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desmondman58
01-11-2014, 11:40 PM
Beware also -there are alot of dodgy characters at Audi (& most other Brands) Centres- The businesses do not carry out CRB checks on staff
especially in London area
Dieseldoos
02-11-2014, 04:08 PM
If you have VCDS its also worth doing this;
central conv 46 - adaptation - channel 60
set the delay to when the door is mechanically opened. 0 to 30 seconds default is 15.
I have done this on mine, I have set mine to 0, so if you trigger the alarm it is instant. It wont stop them, but in some cases I expect they were able to take advantage of the fact they had 15 seconds to plug in, before the alarm even sounded! Surely the default should have been instant, even my Toyota Rav4 its instant!
Eshrules
03-11-2014, 10:19 AM
Beware also -there are alot of dodgy characters at Audi (& most other Brands) Centres- The businesses do not carry out CRB checks on staff
especially in London area
I hope you have some sort of proof for this claim - Audi (or those other brands) might draw exception to it otherwise.
Doctle Odd
03-11-2014, 10:26 AM
Years ago people used to fit a secret switch that broke a circuit that prevented a car from starting. eg wire to coil, fuel cut off etc. crude but effective
Doctle Odd
03-11-2014, 10:31 AM
Might see if I can get a spare claymore from work! Lol
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Sword or bomb? :nervous:
M1tchy
03-11-2014, 12:36 PM
Sword or bomb? :nervous:
Anti personnel mine! :-)
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Beagler
03-11-2014, 12:46 PM
Copied this from another forum
Phoned Audi customer services and the good news is there is a software update. The bad news is, he had no idea how this would improve security.
The man at Abz Audi was a bit more forthcoming. As I understand it, the software is overwritten so that one must obtain a code from Audi Germany before a spare key can be programmed.
Got my car booked in for Wednesday 12th, hopefully no one steals it before then <LOL>
Like This (http://www.myaudiq5.com/index.php?app=core&module=global§ion=reputation&do=add_rating&app_rate=forums&type=pid&type_id=215489&rating=1&secure_key=880ea6a14ea49e853634fbdc5015a024&post_return=215489)
2013 Audi SQ5
Doctle Odd
03-11-2014, 02:31 PM
Anti personnel mine! :-)
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Get a few I'll pm you my address!
andylef
03-11-2014, 02:36 PM
I just did, I see what you mean, the buggers just take a hack saw and cut though the steering wheel rim :-( Simples...... :-( even easier - (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DI06j2BPMsU) :1zhelp:
Pauls898
03-11-2014, 02:44 PM
Well that was a complete waist of a couple hours of my life eerrgggg
Turned up to Audi Worcester as arranged to have my Software updated, they kept me waiting an hour drinking cups of coffee to then tell me that there has been a problem!! They don't actually have the update on their system!!! FFS why did it take them an hour to work that one out? They said that they hadn't done anything to my car?. but later driving away from the dealership I found that my Bluetooth for my phone had been disabled !!! I had to pull up and re-pair my device..... Bunch of monkeys.
Also I enquired about the price of an updated DVD for my SAT NAV MMI version 2.....?
£199.00 plus the VAT !!!! I'll think I'll stick with using my free app on my phone, bloody day light robbery. You could buy a SAT NAV from Halfords cheaper, like a quarter of that price.
Not happy, I don't know whether I'll even bother taking my car back there again :-(
pronto
03-11-2014, 09:10 PM
Rang the audi hot line about security issues on my A4 DYNAMIK saloon. Audi told me that my vehicle was up to date and did not require any additional security updates but added this from thatchem security. In addition to the cars alarm/immobiliser you should
Park in well lit areas
Park in busy areas
Use your garage if applicable
Use a steering lock mechanism or
Gear leaver lock and or foot peddle locks
So that's a cop out from audi then yippy flaming do
dap1974
04-11-2014, 07:37 PM
Well that was a complete waist of a couple hours of my life eerrgggg
Turned up to Audi Worcester as arranged to have my Software updated, they kept me waiting an hour drinking cups of coffee to then tell me that there has been a problem!! They don't actually have the update on their system!!! FFS why did it take them an hour to work that one out? They said that they hadn't done anything to my car?. but later driving away from the dealership I found that my Bluetooth for my phone had been disabled !!! I had to pull up and re-pair my device..... Bunch of monkeys.
Also I enquired about the price of an updated DVD for my SAT NAV MMI version 2.....?
£199.00 plus the VAT !!!! I'll think I'll stick with using my free app on my phone, bloody day light robbery. You could buy a SAT NAV from Halfords cheaper, like a quarter of that price.
Not happy, I don't know whether I'll even bother taking my car back there again :-(
My car was in with them a couple of weeks ago, quoted me for work that was needed, and removed the coding for the tow bar, I wasn't impressed either!
theskyfox
05-11-2014, 09:27 AM
I phoned them yesterday about my car and was advised the vehicle is affected (B8 A4), but the patch for the UK models of the car isn't out for approx another 10 days or so. I've had my car booked in for free for the first week of december to update it.
-Andrew
Pauls898
05-11-2014, 10:08 AM
Yes that's exactly what they told me after they had me booked in, I waited in the showroom for over an Hour drinking cups of coffee before they realized that the update wasn't on there system for another 10-15 days eerrrrgggg
RichA4
05-11-2014, 01:15 PM
I think its worth a phone call to my dealer to see if any updates are required for my new A4 Black Edition.
I'll post back when I get an answer.
Didn't get much joy from Audi Customer services really. They just told me that Audi always strive to better these systems on an ongoing basis.
That said , I contacted my dealer and they assured me that my cars' software was up to date and was at the highest level due to the car being only 8 months old.
Good to know :)
PomcaT
05-11-2014, 08:00 PM
Mine is going in. 22nd November.
Pretty straightforward, a call to Audi.... gave them details, 5 minutes later got a call back saying the software needed updating and offered me the earliest date. :)
Furillo
05-11-2014, 10:48 PM
Just spoken to Audi, no A7s are affected but the wife's A5 is and needs booking in.
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Interesting I rang number and told A7s were affected. Told to book in with dealer to check upgrades despite fact only serviced 2 weeks ago by dealer. Guess mine being a 2012 is difference to yours? Will find out when they do the check.
M1tchy
05-11-2014, 11:06 PM
Interesting I rang number and told A7s were affected. Told to book in with dealer to check upgrades despite fact only serviced 2 weeks ago by dealer. Guess mine being a 2012 is difference to yours? Will find out when they do the check.
Wow, Audi are brilliant!
They said no A7s were affected to me! Mine is due a service so will see what the dealer says. Mine is a 63 plate so may be software related?
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Zenerdiode
06-11-2014, 12:48 AM
Would any of you who have access to VCDS post up the before and after software version for me please?
Mine is:
46-Central Conv.
SW:8K0-907-064-AE
HW:8K0-907-064-AE
Component:BCM2 1.1 H71 0134
I have yet to have mine done. Although looking at the other thread for Airbags; I may need them updated too.
Thank You.
Furillo
06-11-2014, 06:11 AM
Service Manager says they will run a comparative test on sw versions. With Audi centrally saying foc check I'm pushing for all sw to updated eg MMI to 770.
dap1974
06-11-2014, 11:11 AM
My Software version before upgrade:-
Address 46: Central Conv. (J393) Labels: 8K0-907-064-46.clb
Part No SW: 8K0 907 064 D HW: 8K0 907 064 D
Component: BCM2 1.1 H70 0134
Revision: 00002001 Serial number: 0108600934
Coding: 011F0E220039044101A001
Shop #: WSC 56030 001 104857
VCID: 316901D668C0A6A9D05-8064
It's booked in next week, will update with new scan data then.
Stuarta99
06-11-2014, 09:20 PM
Maybe this explains the ghost I seem to have gained. Had my A4 Black parked up in a Birmingham city centre NCP overnight on Saturday. Got back to the car on Sunday morning, only to find a drinks bottle out of the holder and lying down, lights turned from auto to off and locks gone back to double press for all doors.....freaky
Redcar01
06-11-2014, 11:53 PM
rang Audi hotline they said i'm on the cutoff for it been updated ( whatever that means) however they have booked it in for December to update my keys and a update for air bags, MY12 B8 A4 Avant
moptisam2
07-11-2014, 09:21 AM
I'm glad that some members are getting answers they can work with from calling the 0800 093 0110 number.
I decided, since I wanted the answer in writing, to send an e-mail to the address given in the Audi press release but after a few days I got no answer. I, therefore, rang the above 0800 number and was told that the person I spoke to thought that there may be an update (I love positive answers, especially when your actions will be based on them, don’t you?).
I then spoke to my local dealer and booked the car in for the possible upgrade plus the (at that time unknown) airbag parameters recall.
I subsequently got a text message from Audi Customer Service responding to my e-mail. I phoned back and was told the text message was sent because I had not put my registration number in the e-mail. I pointed out that I had put it in the heading next to the car model, which my correspondent had been able to read successfully!
I was then told that the customer service department could not know whether there is an upgrade or not, as it is only the dealers who have a direct link to Germany and so can download any necessary updates. This seems like another case of left-hand and right-hand…..
Anyway, I phoned my local dealer again to see if an upgrade really is available, if it is available now or whether I have to wait the 10 to 15 days reported by a couple of members. I am waiting for a reply.
As I said to my contact on the 0800 699 888 Customer Services number, I like the A4 (I have had three in 10 years) but I don't think much of the Customer Services department.
AGW82
07-11-2014, 10:03 AM
Just called the number to check, but was essentially told to contact my local dealer as they have all the info regarding the cars software. One piece of information I was given by Audi Customer Services was not to press the lock key on the fob more that once, as this disables the interior sensors if you press it twice in quick succession. I always thought this enable the deadlocks.
Anyway, called my local dealer and they said my car was up to date as far as they could tell, but that the security update specifically related to this issue was not available to them yet and they didn't know when it would be.. I also discussed the locking process while talking to the service guy, and he said a double press disables the deadlock and not the sensors, but confirmed you should only press the lock button once for all the security to be armed. I'll check the handbook later to see what that says...
Stuarta99
07-11-2014, 10:13 AM
Just called the number and been told I have the latest software, however there is an outstanding update for the airbag control unit
Zenerdiode
07-11-2014, 10:57 PM
Audi Customer Services seem to be getting a bit more up to speed with this now. I didn't have access to the Watchdog 0800 number today so just phoned CS. She was very helpful, acknowledged the problem, mumbled that it was manufactured before the 2013 cutoff and passed me through to my local dealer. She must have briefed the dealer because they are normally like one o'clock half struck when it comes to things like this. Dealer said they don't have the software yet, being uploaded to their devices in about a week; and will contact me then for a booking.
Summary
Phone Audi CS to open a case
Cut-off MY2013 vehicles
Software available in about another week
chody
08-11-2014, 09:40 PM
If you are worried I would suggest the easiest solution would be to move the OBD port so its not where they expect and will move on to another car or find the 12v feed and put a switch on that wire no power to port no read
Doctle Odd
08-11-2014, 10:16 PM
If you are worried I would suggest the easiest solution would be to move the OBD port so its not where they expect and will move on to another car or find the 12v feed and put a switch on that wire no power to port no read
An excellent idea these guys won't hang around to get nabbed
Stuarta99
08-11-2014, 10:20 PM
To be honest as a friend of mine who is an Audi mechanic mentioned, they still have to get in your car, while alarm is going off, hook up laptop, whole alarm is going and programme a key while alarm was going. He did mention how many customers keep the blade key in the glove box, which is just plain stupid
Zenerdiode
09-11-2014, 01:43 PM
To be honest as a friend of mine who is an Audi mechanic mentioned, they still have to get in your car, while alarm is going off, hook up laptop, whole alarm is going and programme a key while alarm was going.
He's missing the point, that from the factory, the car is programmed to have a 15 second delay between opening with key blade and alarm sounding. The device that the thieves are using takes less than ten seconds to connect to the diagnostic port and disable the alarm. They then have all the time in the world to program the key.
dap1974
09-11-2014, 05:07 PM
If anyone would like VCDS to change the time it takes for the alarm to activate, let me know and we can arrange, I will change the following:-
Adjust Time For Alarm To Sound After Opening Door
[46 - Central Conv]
[Adaptation] -> Channel 60 -> Set between 0 and 30 (Default is 15)
moptisam2
10-11-2014, 01:22 PM
Hats off to Bradford Audi.
They have just called me to say that they have done some security software updates but the software wasn’t right, so to save me from a pain-in-the-backside journey from the west of Halifax to Bradford (with the possibility of having to go there again to have it redone), she would call me again once a couple of updates had been successfully carried out. The airbag recall job will be done at the same time.
That’s what I call service.
:approve:
Crazyfool
11-11-2014, 04:23 PM
Stolen BMW 1M Coupe in less than 3 minutes - YouTube (http://youtu.be/DshK4ZXPU9o)
Lemonslap
12-11-2014, 10:16 AM
My 2010 S4 needs this doing and my local dealer laughed because I fitted a dummy OBD port last year....
gregpot2000
13-11-2014, 02:13 PM
Just called the number to check, but was essentially told to contact my local dealer as they have all the info regarding the cars software. One piece of information I was given by Audi Customer Services was not to press the lock key on the fob more that once, as this disables the interior sensors if you press it twice in quick succession. I always thought this enable the deadlocks.
Anyway, called my local dealer and they said my car was up to date as far as they could tell, but that the security update specifically related to this issue was not available to them yet and they didn't know when it would be.. I also discussed the locking process while talking to the service guy, and he said a double press disables the deadlock and not the sensors, but confirmed you should only press the lock button once for all the security to be armed. I'll check the handbook later to see what that says...
Hi
I'm not sure about the interior sensors, but I can confirm that you should always press once. pressing twice de-activates the dead locks, which means the doors could be opened from inside if the windows are smashed (I have tested this sat inside the car)
I only found this out after having my car for around 2 years, I had always pressed the fob twice, as pressing it twice activated the deadlocks on every other car I have owned.
Beagler
13-11-2014, 02:39 PM
What about a locking/disabling method for the diagnostic port. Even if it requires the fob to be present surely thats better than a steering wheel lock that can be picked in 10 seconds.
Pauls898
13-11-2014, 04:28 PM
I've always thought that on the second press the dead locks go on? as on the second press you hear another "Clunk" are you telling me this noise is them coming back off again??? Still no news from my dealer o these updates and it's been over a week now?
dap1974
13-11-2014, 05:00 PM
I've always thought that on the second press the dead locks go on? as on the second press you hear another "Clunk" are you telling me this noise is them coming back off again??? Still no news from my dealer o these updates and it's been over a week now?
Paul,
Your not far from me if you want to connect to VCDS and make the security change to the alarm activation time.
Pauls898
13-11-2014, 05:46 PM
Yes please! I'm in Malvern? You? How much would you charge for the adjustment? Thanks
dap1974
13-11-2014, 06:00 PM
I'm in Kidderminster. I've PM'd you.
markp306
13-11-2014, 09:53 PM
Hi
I'm not sure about the interior sensors, but I can confirm that you should always press once. pressing twice de-activates the dead locks, which means the doors could be opened from inside if the windows are smashed (I have tested this sat inside the car)
I only found this out after having my car for around 2 years, I had always pressed the fob twice, as pressing it twice activated the deadlocks on every other car I have owned.
Oh, didn't know that and I'm not sure I understand the point of that.
Anyway, is it configurable?
gregpot2000
14-11-2014, 10:59 AM
Oh, didn't know that and I'm not sure I understand the point of that.
Anyway, is it configurable?
I thought the same! It has been like that in all other cars I have owned, but I think it says in the manual it is one click deadlock, the second actually unlocks it.
You can actually test this yourself, sit in the car and press it once, try the handle, the door won’t open. If you press it twice the handle will open from the inside, so the extra noise you hear is actually the deadlocks deactivating!
Not sure if it can be changed, I have just got into the habit of pressing it once now, although it took a while. One thing that helped is activating the beep on lock in VCDS. You can hear there has only been one beep when locking so you know it's done it right.
theskyfox
14-11-2014, 11:35 AM
If you are really feeling worried then its worth investing in a steering wheel lock. Its relatively cheap, effective and act as an effective deterrent (supplementing the existing security on the car). I do feel that moving ODB ports and removing cables is just taking it a little too far.
-Andrew
gregpot2000
14-11-2014, 12:01 PM
I have also reduced the alarm trigger wait time when opening the door without a fob as well, when I thought about it, there was no real reason for it to be set 15seconds. Firstly, I have never actually needed to open the door without the remote locking, and secondly even if I did, I wouldn’t need more than a couple of seconds to put the key in the ignition, even if I did set the alarm off so what? I am legitimately sat in the car and car deactivate it straight away.
15 seconds seems such a long and pointless time for the legitimate driver that knows the fob needs to be put in the ignition as soon as the door is opened, the only person that benefits from 15 seconds in my opinion is someone sat in the car without the key. 15 seconds to mess with the OBD port, or rummage through my car to get what they want without the alarm going off before they run off.
dap1974
14-11-2014, 12:07 PM
I have also reduced the alarm trigger wait time when opening the door without a fob as well, when I thought about it, there was no real reason for it to be set 15seconds. Firstly, I have never actually needed to open the door without the remote locking, and secondly even if I did, I wouldn’t need more than a couple of seconds to put the key in the ignition, even if I did set the alarm off so what? I am legitimately sat in the car and car deactivate it straight away.
15 seconds seems such a long and pointless time for the legitimate driver that knows the fob needs to be put in the ignition as soon as the door is opened, the only person that benefits from 15 seconds in my opinion is someone sat in the car without the key. 15 seconds to mess with the OBD port, or rummage through my car to get what they want without the alarm going off before they run off.
I bet the software upgrade waited for from Audi will just change the setting time to 0, will be interesting to scan a car with VCDS after Audi have had it in for the dealer upgrade.
markp306
14-11-2014, 08:26 PM
Remembered to test this today while sat in the car. The 2 presses have to be consecutive.
if I press twice, its to check the car is locked and normally after a short wait. This doesn't disable the deadlocks.
so what was the conclusion on how this affects the interior sensors...if there was a conclusion?
gregpot2000
15-11-2014, 02:13 AM
Yeah, but a lot of people (including me!) Press it twice in quick succession thinking it will enable the deadlocks as this is pretty standard behaviour on most cars. Audi are opposite for some reason
Regarding the sensors, I'm not certain but wouldn't have thought it would affect them, as they have their own buttons on the edge of the drivers door to control them
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Redders2
15-11-2014, 01:09 PM
A second press deactivates the alarm. If you try it you'll notice that the red light on the drivers door will stop flashing on the second press..press it a third time and it's back on again. Been like this for years with VW/Audi.
iamdarren
18-11-2014, 10:32 PM
Thanks for posting this. I am booked In to have the update done soon. Seems my 2008 needs it
Dieseldoos
19-11-2014, 09:33 PM
As a side thought on this, looking at wiring diagrams, fuse 11 on the right side of the dash panel, is diagnostic connector, terminal 30.
If my thinking is right, if you remove this fuse, then the obd will not be live or work, unless the fuse is put back.
Seeing as its not used all the time, I am thinking take the fuse out until required?
Again, it wouldnt stop diehard thieves, but surely without the fuse in, they couldnt just jump in and connect?
Wondered if anyone had allready did/tried it?
Zenerdiode
20-11-2014, 10:06 PM
All depends on if the thief's equipment is self powered or not. Better to disconnect CAN+ and CAN- from the diagnostic port; but this may be out of scope for some owners.
gregpot2000
22-11-2014, 11:54 AM
same problem for me! Waiting an hour this morning to be told yes my car needs it. But they don't have the working update!
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PomcaT
22-11-2014, 04:02 PM
same problem for me! Waiting an hour this morning to be told yes my car needs it. But they don't have the working update!
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I had exactly the same happen to me today.... 90 minutes though! and then told me what I already knew... car due a service and needs 2 new tyres.
Furillo
24-11-2014, 09:57 PM
same problem for me! Waiting an hour this morning to be told yes my car needs it. But they don't have the working update!
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Ditto. Dealer can see update but not download it. Waiting on call to take her back in.
Lemonslap
26-11-2014, 02:28 PM
My S4 is booked in for this update on Friday, no point if the dealer can't download the update! Any one know when this is due to be available?
Beagler
26-11-2014, 02:43 PM
Does anyone know what the new update does ie how it improves security?
Lemonslap
01-12-2014, 08:58 PM
As you all know I had my S4 booked in last Friday, had a call Thursday to say the update isn't available and they don't know when it will be released
Pauls898
01-12-2014, 09:46 PM
What are these Charles playing at? It was 3rd November when I took my car it, so that's a Month and they told me it would be a few days????
Zenerdiode
02-12-2014, 07:52 AM
Typical. Looks like they have appeased the peasants with a "calm down, dear" after the Watchdog program; and it will all have blown over by Christmas.
gregpot2000
02-12-2014, 11:49 PM
Just don't get why they are still taking/not cancelling bookings when it must clearly be known nationwide it can't be done now.
Can anyone who does get a call to say it's ready please update this thread? I'll do the same
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Pauls898
03-12-2014, 05:17 PM
Thanks "gregpot2000" That's a great idea then we can all re-book our appointments and get it sorted :-) I've just started to use a "Stop Lock" on mine now as a deterrent but I know these things can be easily removed by a determined thief :-(
Redcar01
08-12-2014, 08:14 PM
Thanks "gregpot2000" That's a great idea then we can all re-book our appointments and get it sorted :-) I've just started to use a "Stop Lock" on mine now as a deterrent but I know these things can be easily removed by a determined thief :-(
Mine has bee in today sfor security update and recall for the air bags, No security update available which according to the dealer means it doesn't need it, Yet Audi said it did. Air bag update done o
david-prince
10-12-2014, 09:23 PM
Called in at my local Audi dealer in Wakefield today, I was told that the thieves had developed some software that enables a blank key to be coded which otherwise would only be done by the dealer, Audi are currently trying to make a software patch that makes this impossible. This update is still not available but they suspect once it is it will be launched as a recall to the affected vehicles.
alexa4avant
10-12-2014, 09:59 PM
Would older vehicles be affected don't no whether to pop to my local dealer to get checked or updated
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Scott K
11-12-2014, 10:54 AM
Anyone looked into the possibility of an inline switch, moving the port or a port cover? You would think it would be pretty straight forward to extend the OBD lead into the glove compartment or under the seat-just anywhere so the thieves can't find it and bail out.
Lemonslap
12-12-2014, 11:13 AM
Anyone looked into the possibility of an inline switch, moving the port or a port cover? You would think it would be pretty straight forward to extend the OBD lead into the glove compartment or under the seat-just anywhere so the thieves can't find it and bail out.
I moved my OBD plug and cable tied it up under the dash then fitted a dummy plug in its place. Very easy to do however my local Audi dealer treated me like I was some sort of nutter for doing this! My view was that if a thief needed access, they would need to remove the bolted in dash lower cover after they have had no response from the dummy port and if this delays them enough for me to catch them in the act all the better....
Scott K
12-12-2014, 12:37 PM
Sounds like a great idea. The dealer wouldn't treat you like that if they had their own car stolen. One of the guys at work had his 335d stolen last week and I thought it might be the old port they used but it was a simple break in and steal the keys. Joy ride and dumped with no apparent damage apart from his wallet for new door locks on his wife's car and the house. Not a nice feeling for him and he had to take time off work to get it fixed.
If the thieves can't get the car started quickly, they will probably leg it before getting caught. Then you only have the hassle of a broken side window.
Zenerdiode
01-01-2015, 05:52 PM
Are we all going to rattle Audi UK and our dealers about this when the festivities are over? I don't think anyone has had this done yet. :(
Good wheeze. Seems to me that Audi should fess up or sort it out rather quickly.
gregpot2000
02-01-2015, 11:18 AM
Would older vehicles be affected don't no whether to pop to my local dealer to get checked or updated
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Hi, The problem only affects Audis that use a plastic fob as a key, rather than a traditional metal blade as a key. The reason being that the plastic fobs all have the exact same fitment, it's only the way they are coded that makes them work with a particular car. I think the first cars that used these would have been A5s on a '57 plate, then the B8 A4 was then introduced on mainly 08 plates with the same key, and then every new model since has used the technology, so for example the A3 would have still used the old traditional key until last year as it was essentially an 11 year old car.
roadiescot
06-01-2015, 12:23 AM
Standard Aberdeen behaviour. I take my key everywhere with me, it lives in my pocket not on any sideboard or shelf. It gets dumped on the side in the bedroom at night.
Sounds like a great idea. The dealer wouldn't treat you like that if they had their own car stolen. One of the guys at work had his 335d stolen last week and I thought it might be the old port they used but it was a simple break in and steal the keys. Joy ride and dumped with no apparent damage apart from his wallet for new door locks on his wife's car and the house. Not a nice feeling for him and he had to take time off work to get it fixed.
If the thieves can't get the car started quickly, they will probably leg it before getting caught. Then you only have the hassle of a broken side window.
Scott K
06-01-2015, 01:02 AM
Yes. Too much of it going on and the police know who it is! They have now been told not to chase them as that is what these morons want them to do. Bit of luck they may steal the wrong persons car. It was the same guys that took the 6 cars one weekend from one house if you remember the story last year. About £750000 of cars!!
Scott K
19-01-2015, 10:21 AM
http://www.mdr.de/einfach-genial/eg_musik106.html
http://shop.okcomputers.de/obd-saver/vag/2/obd-saver-vag-audi-vw-skoda-seat
These look pretty good. One is the video of the lock and the other is the online shop. Might be of interest to someone.
Lemonslap
21-01-2015, 09:41 PM
My OBD port is removed and hidden up behind the dash, I have a dummy port fitted in the original ones place. My view is as the lower dash is bolted in place hopefully it will delay the thieves long enough for me to catch them in the act.
KrashBandiKoot
21-01-2015, 09:52 PM
BMW had this issue, there's basically a tool which plugs into the OBC socket and will 'reprogram' any key transponder to that particular car. I'm not surprised Audi have the same sorts of issues.
When I bought a spare key and fob for my car, it took the lock smith about 10 seconds to program the key transponder so my car would start but it wouldn't bypass the <cough cough ... Like I'm going to say what my additional security system is on my car is on an open forum :biglaugh:> which is a secondary system that kills the ignition system completely until the <censored again> is pressed so the dash lights up.
Again with that system I needed a 2nd <thingy> in case I lost the one the car came with. It took me 3 days to find out what the system is, (they certainly don't make it easy to find), then find a company who could supply a second <thingy> which had to be paid for by card and posted to my home address. Coding the <thingy> to that security system took about 10 minutes as it had to be done manually, (no OBC point to plug into), so I'm reasonably happy my car isn't easy for the opportunist thief to steal. But on saying this if a professional thief wants your car, be it a Ferrari, a Rolls Royce or a borderline MOT failure, if they really want it they'll have it unless you can park it and lock it in a bank safe.
a5sline
16-02-2015, 09:41 AM
My OBD port is removed and hidden up behind the dash, I have a dummy port fitted in the original ones place. My view is as the lower dash is bolted in place hopefully it will delay the thieves long enough for me to catch them in the act.
Hi Lemonslap I'm due to pick up a new SQ5 this week and plan to move the OBD, I've ordered a 1.5m OBD2 extension cable and hope to like you fit a dummy connector rather than leave a gap where it should be which will waste a thieves time plugging in to find it doesn't work. So far the best offer I've had from a scrappy for an original purple used connector is £40 delivered, I imagine new ones are cheaper, they seem to be like rocking horse doo doos, wondered where you got yours from......
27008
iamdarren
16-02-2015, 09:59 AM
I still haven't been able to get dealer to recode my car. They blame Germany and say no updates can be done. I'm getting mugged off! How can a whole country be at fault. More likely my dealer cannot be bothered. I did call back again they were quite rude and informed me that there is a list of people to call back once GERMANY Fix the audi software..
sportq
16-02-2015, 01:49 PM
I still haven't been able to get dealer to recode my car. They blame Germany and say no updates can be done. I'm getting mugged off! How can a whole country be at fault. More likely my dealer cannot be bothered. I did call back again they were quite rude and informed me that there is a list of people to call back once GERMANY Fix the audi software..
Have you tried a more public approach? If you're a twitter user try tweeting @AudiUKCare with your issue (getting it into 140 characters might be challenging though) it seems to get their attention quickly.
Pete
Lemonslap
16-02-2015, 04:47 PM
Hi Lemonslap I'm due to pick up a new SQ5 this week and plan to move the OBD, I've ordered a 1.5m OBD2 extension cable and hope to like you fit a dummy connector rather than leave a gap where it should be which will waste a thieves time plugging in to find it doesn't work. So far the best offer I've had from a scrappy for an original purple used connector is £40 delivered, I imagine new ones are cheaper, they seem to be like rocking horse doo doos, wondered where you got yours from......
27008
Mine is off my old Subaru Legacy, just tacked in place with a couple of drops of super glue. I need to pick up some servicing parts this week and will ask for a price on the OEM plug.
a5sline
17-02-2015, 12:34 AM
Mine is off my old Subaru Legacy, just tacked in place with a couple of drops of super glue. I need to pick up some servicing parts this week and will ask for a price on the OEM plug.
If you manage to get I part number I'd appreciate it if you'd let me know please, if it's cheaper than the £40 I've been quoted I'll buy new.
a5sline
20-02-2015, 01:21 AM
Mine is off my old Subaru Legacy, just tacked in place with a couple of drops of super glue. I need to pick up some servicing parts this week and will ask for a price on the OEM plug.
I managed to get hold of an original purple ODBII port from Motors in Motion through the 247spares website, it arrived with some of the original wiring loom attached so when I clip the ODB into position I can fix the section of loom into position making the ODB look and feel more realistic. i spoke to Audi Nottingham about the current status of Audi software re ODB key hacking and all they would say is the latest software will be loaded to my SQ5 which addresses any security issues but they would confirm what the changes were to make things more secure.
alexa4avant
20-02-2015, 04:20 PM
How much did that cost
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a5sline
20-02-2015, 11:47 PM
How much did that cost
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£30.00 which included next day delivery. It clipped straight in and I used cable ties to fix the length of loom in place, to anyone feeling about it feels real. I then plugged a 1.5m extension into the OBD which I've pushed right up behind the dash and the other end of the extension can pulled out from the new location if it's needed.
iamdarren
21-03-2015, 01:48 PM
I called the audi care line and long story short I have been told there is no update. And defiantly no update for me on my a4. I'm not convinced only took 4 months
a5sline
21-03-2015, 03:01 PM
I called the audi care line and long story short I have been told there is no update. And defiantly no update for me on my a4. I'm not convinced only took 4 months
Audi UK contacted me after I raised the issue of OBD key cloning through their website. They seemed to recognise the security issue raised by Watchdog and said my new SQ5 had the latest most secure software but as much as I pressed them they wouldn't actually say that the OBD key cloning issue could no longer happen, all they would say is Audi strive for the highest level security but couldn't garrantee my car couldn't be stolen. How daft is that, obviously they can't admit the cloning issue existed for fear of being prosecuted by Audi owners who's cars were nicked by key cloning.....
iamdarren
21-03-2015, 03:20 PM
Audi UK contacted me after I raised the issue of OBD key cloning through their website. They seemed to recognise the security issue raised by Watchdog and said my new SQ5 had the latest most secure software but as much as I pressed them they wouldn't actually say that the OBD key cloning issue could no longer happen, all they would say is Audi strive for the highest level security but couldn't garrantee my car couldn't be stolen. How daft is that, obviously they can't admit the cloning issue existed for fear of being prosecuted by Audi owners who's cars were nicked by key cloning.....
im convinced its due an update, as i have one of the oldest b8 A4s there are. But they dont want to admit or do it. I did mention to them i need to get another key which i was told would cost me in the region of 600 according to thier service and parts desk. Stooooopid money. Anyway, i decided i will just stick with a single key on the car. Just my luck if someone did manage to clone my key. maybe i need to go to one of those guys for my spare. lol less than a tenner they said....
PomcaT
21-03-2015, 08:15 PM
maybe i need to go to one of those guys for my spare. lol less than a tenner they said....
Don't forget to leave your name and address!!! Doh!!!
Going to get hold of Audi Nottingham this week.... see what line they spin this time.
iamdarren
21-03-2015, 09:07 PM
Don't forget to leave your name and address!!! Doh!!!
Going to get hold of Audi Nottingham this week.... see what line they spin this time.
Lol yep. Audi did tell me I wasn't registered as the owner of the vehicle. Not dvla but their database. Only I could not do that on the phone. I do get the magazine I don't want, but this is something else. I was told it's really important that I go into a service centre to get it updated. Not sure I see the relevance if they won't do updates
roadiescot
21-03-2015, 11:01 PM
Just had my Mar 2008 B8 serviced and asked them about updates. Was told none were required on my car :/
a5sline
23-03-2015, 09:27 AM
Don't forget to leave your name and address!!! Doh!!!
Going to get hold of Audi Nottingham this week.... see what line they spin this time.
I bought the new SQ5 from Nottingham Audi, I contacted them when I found out about the key cloning issue, as expected they they toed the Audi use the most modern secure security on there vehicles line. When I pressed them about key cloning all they would say is that Audi owners should make sure the software on their vehicle is the latest version. All Audi franchises must have been instructed by Audi UK on the line to take re key cloning because I contacted Audi UK by Email, they eventually phoned me taking the same line as Nottingham Audi. I had read that the latest software prevents key cloning without the cloner first contacting Audi who will check the vehicle is connected to the Audi network before suppling a number to enable completion on the cloning process, Audi Uk wouldn't confirm this. I guess understandably they don't want to be prosecuted by Audi owners who've had their Audi's nicked by key cloning. I get the impression that because of Audi's stance about key cloning, If an Audi owner has only one key for their Audi they face an insurance issue if their car is stollen and they can't produce two keys for the insurance company who will insist the second key/fob must have been used to steal the car and therefore wasn't looked after properly hence no claim. It's a catch 22 situation if you disclose the missing key when setting up insurance they probably won't take on the cover as the missing key presents theft risk.
gregpot2000
14-04-2015, 10:57 AM
anyone heard anymore on this?
seems we were all well and truly fobbed off, tell them it's in the pipeline until the heat dies down and everything is forgotten about, well done Audi
Pauls898
14-04-2015, 11:27 AM
So I take it from that remark above nothing has happened about this update? I must admit I'd given up on the idea now anyway, I just went out and purchased a Stop Lock from Halfords and always fit that now, I no it won't stop them but it's a deterrent at least for them to move on to another vehicle
theskyfox
14-04-2015, 03:58 PM
I can't help but feel going to the effort of physically disconnecting the ODBII port (or moving it) is massively overkill. There is a temporal element to these thefts - so you simply need to slow the would-be thief down. A simple crook lock on the steering wheel (and one on the gearstick for the double-paranoid) should suffice; without needing to mess around rewiring anything or moving vehicle electronics. I'd be interested to see the insurance companies comments on people DIY'ing their vehicle electronics...
-Andrew
markp306
14-04-2015, 04:55 PM
I can't help but feel going to the effort of physically disconnecting the ODBII port (or moving it) is massively overkill. There is a temporal element to these thefts - so you simply need to slow the would-be thief down. A simple crook lock on the steering wheel (and one on the gearstick for the double-paranoid) should suffice; without needing to mess around rewiring anything or moving vehicle electronics. I'd be interested to see the insurance companies comments on people DIY'ing their vehicle electronics...
-Andrew
Which model of crook lock can be used on the gear leaver? I thought these required a manual handbrake, or is there a newer version I haven't seen yet? If so, I'll check it out.
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