New Clutch time bit of help needed

[Antowens]

I think it is that time to give my audi a new clutch, reason being is that since i got the bhp up to around 180 from 143 and the clutch is slipping under accelaration. It will do this gears 3,4,5,6 so i was wondering should i just put a new standard clutch in or buy an uprated one (if this is possible). Also does anyone know if the clutchs from the 170 verseion of the 2.0TDI will fit.

How much would i be looking to have this changed and could i attempt this myself i have a reasonably good mechanical knowledge and could get guidance and assistance if needed

My car is a 2.0TDI Common Rail 143

Any help is greatly appreciated

[Dieseldoos]

If it helps, My local indie told me that the 143, and 170 version use the same clutch, and advised that when changing, often its worth changing the dmf at the same time.

I would say if you access to the right tools etc, then I cant see why you couldnt change it yourself.

[113brucey]

the loal guy up here says that he would not go above 170bhp when c hipping as 4/5/6 start to slip on higher speed ???

[Sinspeed]

We've mapped plenty 143's up to 182 no problems. But it can add extra wear to the clutch (depends how you drive it). An inexperienced driver can burn out a brand new clutch in 10 minutes lol.

[b8sline]

Just had my clutch and DMF replaced 2 weeks ago. Mine is a 58 plate avant 143 tdi also re-mapped . As Deiseldoos said , the 143 & 170 are the same.
My clutch was ok, it was my DPF & thrust bearing that was goosed, so had the clutch done too.

My local garage done mine and he said it was a bit of a “chunt” to do.

[Antowens]

Just had my clutch and DMF replaced 2 weeks ago. Mine is a 58 plate avant 143 tdi also re-mapped . As Deiseldoos said , the 143 & 170 are the same.
My clutch was ok, it was my DPF & thrust bearing that was goosed, so had the clutch done too.

My local garage done mine and he said it was a bit of a “chunt” to do.

how much did it cost if you dont mind me asking

[Antowens]

We've mapped plenty 143's up to 182 no problems. But it can add extra wear to the clutch (depends how you drive it). An inexperienced driver can burn out a brand new clutch in 10 minutes lol.

would it matter if it was a tuning box or a map as i currently have a tuning box on but it has slipped since day one dont rag the car but when you want that extra bit of power for taking of so on the clutch just slips and the car revs its head of

[Antowens]

the loal guy up here says that he would not go above 170bhp when c hipping as 4/5/6 start to slip on higher speed ???

ye mine is like that it slips 4,5,6, from 2,000rpm onwards

[Sinspeed]

I wouldn't say the tuning box is entirely to blame, certainly if you remove it the car will drive better and it will reduce the clutch slip but I think it is just the fact that your clutch is on its way out and can't cope with the extra power delivery. We don't recommend tuning boxes though, they're preset (not custom) and made to "trick" the ECU into thinking fuel pressure is low, air is denser than it actually is and so on - so the ECU can respond by increasing the delivery.. a custom map will compliment the vehicle and enhance the driving experience and is tailored to your vehicle and your style of driving.

[Antowens]

I wouldn't say the tuning box is entirely to blame, certainly if you remove it the car will drive better and it will reduce the clutch slip but I think it is just the fact that your clutch is on its way out and can't cope with the extra power delivery. We don't recommend tuning boxes though, they're preset (not custom) and made to "trick" the ECU into thinking fuel pressure is low, air is denser than it actually is and so on - so the ECU can respond by increasing the delivery.. a custom map will compliment the vehicle and enhance the driving experience and is tailored to your vehicle and your style of driving.

How much would a remap be ?

[Sinspeed]

If it's the earlier model which can be mapped directly through the OBD port then £299.00 and if it's the later model (Tricore ECU) then it's £395.00 as the ECU has to be removed and flashed on a bench. But we often have good offers on, like currently if you like our FB page we will do an OBD map for just £139!

http://www.facebook.com/sinspeed

[Antowens]

If it's the earlier model which can be mapped directly through the OBD port then £299.00 and if it's the later model (Tricore ECU) then it's £395.00 as the ECU has to be removed and flashed on a bench.
I think mine is the later one and thats what put me of splitting the ECU and so on just didnt fancy that

[Sinspeed]

Ahh it's a doddle really, VAG tricore ECU's are one of the easiest to do with our latest equipment (no soldering required). It's the Mercedes Delphi ECU's which are a complete nightmare - we can do them via OBD but we get a lot sent in from International customers and doing them on a bench is an absolute nightmare sometimes because you have to remove the ECU board form both sides!

If you had a local garage remove the ECU and sent it into our HQ, we offer a "postal service" for just £199.00 and all maps come with a 30-day money back guarantee :)

[b8sline]

It was part warranty / part self payment.
The clutch I paid for myself, would have lasted a bit yet but no point in putting it back together without a new clutch.
The warranty I got with the car (1 year ) was due to run out so I got my mechanic to go over the car and give it a good check. The only thing was the DMF & bearing, so that was covered by the warranty company.
All in it was £1700 of that I paid £500. Whole kit supplied from Audi.

[xtremist]

Dealer will charge £750 for clutch based on fixed price servicing, but they will say it needs a DMF which IIRC is £900 ish for the part, so budget £2k+

I had an VAG specialist do mine and it was about £1200.

Phone a few places up and get some quotes.

[Simon@DTUK]

How does a remap where you post your ecu away to get done compliment a cars performance when you don't know how the car runs in the first place? And also if there is a warranty on the car I'm sure it would invalidate it if taken in for work


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[Simon@DTUK]

Just thinking as we'll if the car ever has to have a software update the remap would be wiped and have to be done again and cost the same over? If it hadn't already been spotted by the dealer.


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[Sinspeed]

Few things.. dealers cannot spot a remap because they only have diagnostic-level equipment and programming tools which only allow them to download software (maps) from german servers to load onto the ECU. They do not have the capabilities of opening a map and inspecting for any changes. So the only way they will know it's been modified is if you switch off the DTC image table which means no fault codes will ever be logged on the ECU, or if the ECU is being opened and they can see it's been tampered with (still doesn't prove the maps are changed though...) - We use dealer-level diagnostics, IDS/VCM, VCMII, MUT3, VCDS, VAS5054A, ICOMM and so on.. none of which have the capabilities to tell you the vehicle has been mapped.

All of our remaps are written by experienced filewriters and industry leading tuners and each map has been extensively dyno tested to ensure optimum results. With the vehicle being present, we can make further tweaks and it's always better but a postal remap is still 100x better than a tuning box which just tricks the ecu by sending false signals.

In regards to software updates, not all software updates will overwrite the mapping of a vehicle. We had a customer go in for a recall on his injectors (VW GOLF GT TDI 170) and came back to us to check if the remap was overwritten when they updated his ECU.. the mapping was not touched! Sometimes maps are touched but do not effect a remap (there's 100's if not 1000s of maps in an ECU, it all depends which are modified).

We have had instances where customers have had flash updates from dealers and they have undone our remapping but we do not expect our customers to pay twice for the job. If you paid £199 for a postal remap and then had a software update which undid our work, we will remap the software updated ECU for just £50.

[Sinspeed]

Another thing to add here - Dealers offer customers remaps as well. Volvo dealers offer a remap for customers of the Volvo D5 engine to take it from 185Bhp up to around 200ish I think it's called Polestar. We've seen the map and it's the SAME map being written to all D5 185Bhp engines with very few changes dependant on model - but because it's offered by a dealer, people get all "ooh ahh" about it and think it's the dogs dangles... but really their dealer is only "flashing" the software onto the ECU which is provided by their techs in germany.

So how can a tech in germany enhance a vehicles optimum performance without seeing the vehicle??

The same way we can.

[Guest 2]

My specialist (ex VW Master Tech, 14yrs) told me there is a change in the ECU coding, changes to a 1 to show its been flashed, even if the original map has been put back on, the 1 remains and displays on their screens.

I'm taking his word and not getting mine remapped until out of warranty.

[Simon@DTUK]

Yeah exactly what A6-Chris said And i also got the exact same info from a vag tech with 10+ yrs under his belt.

[Sinspeed]

My specialist (ex VW Master Tech, 14yrs) told me there is a change in the ECU coding, changes to a 1 to show its been flashed, even if the original map has been put back on, the 1 remains and displays on their screens.

I'm taking his word and not getting mine remapped until out of warranty.

Yeah we've heard the rumours but no evidence shown to prove this. We ID the ECU and checked vehicle coding before/after remapping and seen no changes. We're not advising anyone to lie about it though, just that beyond all the rumours of it being detectable, we're yet to see any proof of it and we're remapping 80-90 ECU's a day on a good day for people all over the world.