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j12000
22-06-2013, 03:47 PM
When specifying my Golf GT 1.4ACT the most difficult decision was whether to go for the Discovery Pro - in the end I decided against purely on value for money - the price tag seemed completely unjustified - whether that was the right decision I still am not sure.... however, it was extraordinarily difficult to find out any meaningful information about the two units, especially the standard one, so I thought it might be useful to offer a brief review of the standard Discover Navigation system now the car is delivered, to help others in taking their decision.

Media function: prior to delivery of the car, I had ripped all my CD collection to high bit-rate MP3, and transferred all the files to a 64GB SD card (Sandisk from Amazon). Fitted to the top of the glove box is the unit containing a CD player and 2 SD card slots. In slot SD2 there is pre-fitted an SD card containing the navigation data. Slot SD1 is empty. Upon slotting in my SD card with the MP3 files the unit immediately recognised it and started playing the first track. The menu to select an Album is a bit obsure but OK once you are used to it, and the albums are shown in a rather unimaginative list but once selected you can view the album art and name of the playing track, and there are options for track skipping, looping, and random play. Strangely, there is no means of searching through this album list or filtering on genre etc. Ipods, smartphones, USB's can also be connected to the system it seems, but the SD card looks much the most straightforward.

Radio: This is very good indeed. Have tuned in the DAB, FM and AM stations, but have only used DAB which gives crystal clear signal wherever the car has been so far. It will switch automatically to a station's FM signal if the DAB signal is lost. DAB station messages are supported, and station logos displayed (easy to set up).

Navigation: The unit remembers past destinations, and can store destinations either as stored desinations or favourites. There is also a single "home address" destination. None of the documentation says how many destinations can be stored, and where they are stored I don't know (on the SD card maybe?) Whether that means you lose them when you update the navigation maps I don't know as I've not done that yet. Three route options are calculated, eco friendly, fastest, and shortest. The guidance announcements are clear, although the final instruction to turn comes a bit late. Turn instructions can also be displayed in the MFD. The system automatically re-routes to avoid traffic holdups. There is no means of recalculating a different route to the three offered - if you want to take a particular route not given you can introduce waypoints, but the waypoints have to be entered first and the final destination last, also if you don't go past the precise waypoint (eg a town centre) it seems to keep trying to take you back there which is a pain... However, the major omission, something that even the most basic satnav would have, is that there is no means of entering your own Points of Interest. Thus also no means of having speed camera alerts. This is probably the biggest advantage of the Pro unit together with its larger screen. On the plus side however, the built in points of interest are surprisingly comprehensive, and another excellent feature is that, with a connected smartphone, provided you have addresses entered in your contact list, a contact can be selected in the navigation system and the address set as the destination. You can also create ICards and enter them as destinations, but I haven't yet explored that, and it seems the instructions are not that easy to access as they are in German on the VW Germany website. I am also unclear about how to tell whether there is a more up to date map available, as the website where the maps are downloaded does not seem to state the latest version number - I shall have to do some more research trying to crack that one - if anyone has any ideas on this I shall much appreciate it!

The Traffic button lists the traffic hold ups that have been found from data transmitted over the radio - and is the information used to automatically re-route.

Phone: Connecting my HTC Sensation via Bluetooth was straightforward. Once connected, there is a "hands free" phone, with the contact list displayed on screen to select from, and four "fast dial" buttons. Also phone display available in the MFD, and steering wheel buttons to use for making and receiving calls. There are options for the phone overriding other sound sources playing. There is a storage space for the phone where it can be plugged in to stay on charge whilst on (battery draining) bluetooth.

The larger screen of the Pro version would be very nice, but the standard version screen size is proving to be perfectly adequate, and whilst driving you can't be looking at the screen too much anyway!

So to summarise, it is actually a pretty good unit, let down by two major and inexplicable omissions - no search or filtering feature for music, and no means of entering your own Points of Interest which means no speed camera alerts - both features that would have cost nothing at all to incorporate into the software - presumably there are some highly paid VW executives who managed to set the specification and leave these things out - beggars belief really.

GOLF 7 GT 1.4 ACT

algarve
22-06-2013, 08:55 PM
Thanks for taking the trouble to post your summary. I like you have experienced the precise waypoint scenario but suspect there is no easy answer

C5Clive
23-06-2013, 04:22 PM
Thanks for the post, makes interesting reading.

Just a quick follow up regarding the media output/display. I'm currently awaiting delivery of a GT with standard Discovery Media and I too intend to have my music on a SD card and I was just wondering, when you say that 'the albums are shown in a rather unimaginative list', do you mean it's a text list?

I got the impression that there is a carousel of album art graphics that can be scrolled left and right through, or is this just with the Pro unit?

j12000
29-06-2013, 11:37 PM
The carousel display is only the Pro unit - the basic unit just lists album names as text with no album art or means or searching through them. You just scroll the list to find what you want and then tap on the text entry. Bit of a pain if there are a large number of albums to sort through.

mcmaddy
30-06-2013, 11:37 AM
I don't think the basic discover nav can accept speed cams. sure It's just the pro nav.

dickt
30-06-2013, 02:45 PM
j12000
Thanks for that. Useful summary.
Mine is also the basic one. being an antique, I prefer maps.....
One thing I would add. A couple of times I have gone a different route at the early stages of a journey to that suggested by the satnav. It has quickly re-calculated a route for me that did not involve going back to its old route. Daughter's iphone 5 seems to want to get you back to its first choice of route.
I too use an sd card. As you say, a better tune selection system would help!

C5Clive
30-06-2013, 05:09 PM
Thanks for the follow up info, always good to get an opinion from someone who has first hand knowledge of the unit.

I do agree with the point you make about the lack of available info on the units provided by VW, the brochure doesn't even mention the Gracenote facility, which is where I guess the carousel artwork feature comes from.

It seemed to me that they were asking £1100 for 10GB of usable SSD space, and extra couple of inches of screen size, the option to play dvd's and voice control. Hardly seemed worth it really, given that I could have bought 3 ipads/tablet PC's for the same money!

Obviously the extra functionality given by Gracenote and the ability to customise POI's are useful features, I would guess there are other additional features to the pro unit that I am unaware of, just a shame it wasn't advertised better.

lozzer
30-06-2013, 06:50 PM
Thanks for the follow up info, always good to get an opinion from someone who has first hand knowledge of the unit.

I do agree with the point you make about the lack of available info on the units provided by VW, the brochure doesn't even mention the Gracenote facility, which is where I guess the carousel artwork feature comes from.

It seemed to me that they were asking £1100 for 10GB of usable SSD space, and extra couple of inches of screen size, the option to play dvd's and voice control. Hardly seemed worth it really, given that I could have bought 3 ipads/tablet PC's for the same money!

Obviously the extra functionality given by Gracenote and the ability to customise POI's are useful features, I would guess there are other additional features to the pro unit that I am unaware of, just a shame it wasn't advertised better.

The album covers come with the mp3s. I'm afraid that there is no gracenote feature in the current model AFAIK. It needs an internet connection for that.

The premium bluetooth with WLAN will probably provide that.

I agree that the UK VW site has not had the same level of clarity as the German one.

j12000
30-06-2013, 07:57 PM
Information around about the two discover navigation units is hard to come by, and some of it on the VW website is actually misleading. Tried researching the German site but that wasn't any better. For most of my CD's ripping them to MP3's resulted in the artwork being captured and it displays on the unit OK so not sure what use Gracenote would be even if it had it. The Pro units 10GB of built in usable space isn't enough for most CD collections so you would need an SD card anyway. As far as I can tell from what people are saying, the Pro unit can't actually handle speed camera alerts either, because although it will accept custom POI's it won't announce when you approach them, so that's not much use for speed camera alerts..... The really major differences are the screen size, plus voice control.... £1000+ is a massive amount of money for that. Pity really, these units are really good in most respects, but let down by a lack of attention to detail which would not have cost anything to have included in the spec....

C5Clive
30-06-2013, 10:08 PM
The bigger screen is a worthwhile extra and personally speaking I prefer the way the pro unit looks, as to the voice control.....even the sales rep said it was a gimmick and not worth having!

I don't really understand why they haven't just outsourced the navigation to either Garmin or Tom Tom as they both have solid products and bags of specialist experience, would surely be less hassle for VW, and a better result for the punters.

lozzer
30-06-2013, 10:35 PM
I know what the pro does but never used any other system other than rns 510 and pro.

From what folk say the garmin is much better.

Interested in those who have used both systems, what does the Garmin do that the pro does not?

mcmaddy
01-07-2013, 12:08 PM
I don't really understand why they haven't just outsourced the navigation to either Garmin or Tom Tom as they both have solid products and bags of specialist experience, would surely be less hassle for VW, and a better result for the punters.[/QUOTE]
why? from what I can gather only one or two decent companies that do maps and navteq who vw use is one of them. the maps in all machines will be the same but it will be how it's delivered. only real downside if you could call it that is no audible alert for speedcams. to be honest though you shouldn't be speeding anyway so it's not really a problem.

DaveB666
01-07-2013, 12:20 PM
I'm 8,000miles in to my mk7 ownership and use the satnav for work most days - hasn't got me lost once. The directions are clear and concise, certainly prefer it over a TomTom and Garmins are just awful.

C5Clive
01-07-2013, 01:21 PM
To be honest it was less of a slur against VW sat navs and more and observation as to why VW, who are a car manufacturer, don't just use a sat nav manufacturer to deal with the in car nav software. I don't see how it can be more cost effective for them to do it themselves.

C5Clive
01-07-2013, 01:22 PM
I'm 8,000miles in to my mk7 ownership and use the satnav for work most days - hasn't got me lost once. The directions are clear and concise, certainly prefer it over a TomTom and Garmins are just awful.

Just as a matter of interest, what do you find so awful about the Garmin and Tom Tom's, did they take you to the wrong destination?

cj1957
01-07-2013, 07:38 PM
Have had a couple of Garmin sat navs over the last 5 years and been more than happy with their performance. I would'nt have paid for sat nav as a factory fit extra as personally I don't think they're value for money, but it came with the GT as standard. I've been using it regularly for the last 3 weeks without any problems - including some horrible to navigate back street locations around Birmingham. Only grumble with the Discover is that so far I can't see that it will take personal POIs and I used to run the Garmin and / or PGPSW speedcam apps - not so I could intentionally speed but so I didn't inadvertantly get caught out with the many frequent speed limit changes I encounter on some roads.

lozzer
01-07-2013, 10:54 PM
Thanks for the heads up :)

AFAIK only the pro will take personal poi's.

markm3006
11-07-2014, 08:54 PM
Can you create a route with say 10 waypoints & a destination (to take you on a certain road) & the nav will take that route ?
I'm used to Garmin sat navs with this feature.

Evil Dan
11-07-2014, 09:35 PM
Can you create a route with say 10 waypoints & a destination (to take you on a certain road) & the nav will take that route ?
I'm used to Garmin sat navs with this feature.

You definitely can. I don't know what the limit is, but I have had 4 waypoints and a final destination without a problem.

markm3006
12-07-2014, 10:56 AM
You definitely can. I don't know what the limit is, but I have had 4 waypoints and a final destination without a problem.

Cheers Dan, that's what I was hoping for.
Did you enter the waypoints as postcodes or coordinates ?
I've asked for this sort of info on the r forum but no one seems to know, roll on September

HHGTTG
15-07-2016, 11:14 PM
Cheers Dan, that's what I was hoping for.
Did you enter the waypoints as postcodes or coordinates ?
I've asked for this sort of info on the r forum but no one seems to know, roll on September

Hi there! I have had my car only a week now and after using two Tom Tom devices (in fact only bought one a few months ago not realising i'd be buying a MK7 Golf with one) and would dearly like a description of just what I have to do to create a route that goes through points I wish to go on, in that route to my final destination. Frankly I don't know where to start. So far I have only put routes in, with a destination and either followed those or purposely gone off route to see how it re-routes me.

There are several journeys I make but not often where I need to add Way points but the system on the Tom Tom is so easy to use, just using the screen and just touching on those roads you want included and then the pop up menu just asks 'Add to this route' or words to that effect.

Can anyone give a step by step lesson, in simple terms, how a route with preferential passing points (Way points) is constructed?

jmagee
22-08-2016, 07:13 PM
Great summary. Looking forward to getting mine and having a play