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yesnaby
21-02-2013, 04:22 PM
Hello,

Any hope of this (eventually)? I do like the SE model it does not have the ACT engine as an option.

gamichea
21-02-2013, 05:50 PM
In Germany the Comfortline model (=UK SE) is available with the 140 TSI in both ACT and non-ACT form so there is cause for hope but not for certainty. The ACT price premium is €550. The Manual ACT is quoted at 5.2l/100km and 109gm/km and the non-ACT at 4.7l/100km and 119gm/km.

The 140 non-ACT TSI has a price premium of €1000 over the 122 TSI as available in the UK SE which might give you a feel for where the UK price point could be.

J400uk
21-02-2013, 09:31 PM
Does indeed seem to be a VW UK restriction. SEAT and Skoda offer it at SE level in the Leon and Octavia. Technically this engine is the replacement for the 122PS 1.4 TSI so I find it strange they sell both

gamichea
21-02-2013, 10:16 PM
SEAT & Skoda are currently only offering the non-ACT 140 TSI in the UK, going by the CO2 figures they've published in the the stuff I've found.

J400uk
22-02-2013, 10:42 AM
SEAT & Skoda are currently only offering the non-ACT 140 TSI in the UK, going by the CO2 figures they've published in the the stuff I've found.

That is correct but it is fundamentally the same engine, whereas the 122PS is an older unit.

mactrack
22-02-2013, 11:17 AM
That is correct but it is fundamentally the same engine, whereas the 122PS is an older unit.
I thought that both the 122Ps and 140PS were the same brand new EA211 generation engines but the 140PS has the modular ACT cylinder head?

gamichea
22-02-2013, 12:53 PM
I thought that both the 122Ps and 140PS were the same brand new EA211 generation engines but the 140PS has the modular ACT cylinder head?

The 122PS from the Golf VI is an EA111 series engine which appears to be incompatible with the MQB platorm which demands a rearward tilt and the exhaust on the side of the engine facing the bulkhead as provided by the EA211 series. In Germany you can choose your 1.4 TSI with 122PS or 140PS and the latter with or without ACT. Its all on the configurator screens.

J400uk
22-02-2013, 02:52 PM
I was under the impression the 122PS is still the old engine, it has higher emissions than the 140PS (without ACT) and the capacity is different at 1390cc as opposed to 1395cc.

If it is the old unit this will also mean its chain-driven as the new 1.4 TSI is belt driven.

gamichea
22-02-2013, 03:27 PM
Drilling down on the German VW site brings up 1395cc for both. There is a curious anomaly in the emissions inasmuch as CO2 is shown as identical when coupled with the DSG 'box but 1gm/km worse for the 122PS manual which downgrades it by one emissions class.

I have read press reviews which have categorically stated the 122PS in the Mk VII is not the Mk VI engine carried over but I cannot now recall the publications.

vc-10
24-02-2013, 02:05 PM
What about the 1.2 TSIs? Aren't they the old engines from the Mk6 but with stop/start etc?

Evil Dan
24-02-2013, 02:22 PM
All the engines are supposed to be new for the Mk7. My understanding is that this due to the new MQB platform. Also it is to allow for such significant emissions reductions.

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Secret-new-cars/Search-Results/Spyshots/VW-Golf-Mk7-2013-the-inside-story/

gamichea
24-02-2013, 02:44 PM
All the engines are supposed to be new for the Mk7. My understanding is that this due to the new MQB platform. Also it is to allow for such significant emissions reductions.

That's right; only the three new engine series will fit and contribute to the delivery of the weight savings intrinsic to the MQB platform. EA211 for petrols 1.0 - 1.6 litres, EA888 gen.3 for petrols 1.8 - 2.0 litres and EA288 for the diesels.

J400uk
24-02-2013, 04:50 PM
That was what got suggested on uk-mkivs.net when this was discussed, main thing seemed to be all the petrols have switched back to cambelts

Not sure about the diesels though, I suspect the 1.6 TDI 105 may not be EA288 yet

mike77t5
26-02-2013, 11:50 PM
I'm not sure they will make this engine available for SE spec in the UK. I think this engine is the replacement for the 1.4 tsi 160 found in the mk6 golf and that was a GT spec exclusive. I have a feeling it is going to be the same case for this engine also.

gamichea
28-02-2013, 09:30 PM
I'm not sure they will make this engine available for SE spec in the UK. I think this engine is the replacement for the 1.4 tsi 160 found in the mk6 golf and that was a GT spec exclusive. I have a feeling it is going to be the same case for this engine also.

A fair point, albeit there is a 20PS shortfall. However, the EA211 is designed to go to 1.6L so there may be more to come for the GT from that direction. Also the EA888 gen.3 1.8L offers 180PS and can be ordered now for the FR model in the MQB-based Seat Leon.

J400uk
01-03-2013, 02:50 PM
I'm not sure they will make this engine available for SE spec in the UK. I think this engine is the replacement for the 1.4 tsi 160 found in the mk6 golf and that was a GT spec exclusive. I have a feeling it is going to be the same case for this engine also.

No it doesn't directly replace the 1.4 TSI 160, the replacement for that is the new 1.8 TSI (180 PS) offered in the Leon and the A3 but not the Golf.

The 140 is a tier below. It honestly makes no sense keeping the 122 on sale IMO especially as its emissions and mpg are now below par. They should instead offer the 1.2 TSI 105 and 1.4 TSI 140 at SE level.

vc-10
02-03-2013, 09:56 PM
I do wonder about VAG UK's engine selections. In Europe it's far wider. On the Polo, you can get the 1.6 TDI with 105PS, the 90PS 1.2 TSI, and various engines available with Bluemotion Tech (only on the full-on Bluemotion here), and you don't need to shell out for a top-spec trim to get a more powerful engine, or a mid-spec for the 1.2 TDI. It's really annoying for me as I'd love a mid-spec 1.2 TSI 90. The 105PS 1.2 is significantly more efficient (in real terms according to the Honest John RealMPG thing) than the 1.4, and I can only imagine the 90PS would be the same but without the added expense in insurance and purchasing.

I wouldn't be surprised if they kept selling the 122PS 1.4 TSI for a while. It was supposed to be the most popular engine for private buyers in the Mk.6. I guess VAG UK's answer would be that they will keep selling them as long as people buy them. I wonder though what impact Ford's Ecoboost 1.0 engine will have? The headline figures are pretty amazing really, even if real performance isn't (Honest John says 40mpg or so, slightly worse than the 1.2 TSI Mk.6 Golfs). Will we see the 105PS 1.2 spreading to the SE? I wouldn't be surprised if quite a few people would be happy with that. The performance isn't that bad (it's better than the 1.6 TDI to 62mph) and they're pretty close efficiency wise once you adjust for the price of diesel. The 125PS 1.0 Ecoboost is available on the top-of-the-line Titanium X spec in the Focus.

J400uk
03-03-2013, 02:51 PM
I do wonder about VAG UK's engine selections. In Europe it's far wider. On the Polo, you can get the 1.6 TDI with 105PS, the 90PS 1.2 TSI, and various engines available with Bluemotion Tech (only on the full-on Bluemotion here), and you don't need to shell out for a top-spec trim to get a more powerful engine, or a mid-spec for the 1.2 TDI. It's really annoying for me as I'd love a mid-spec 1.2 TSI 90. The 105PS 1.2 is significantly more efficient (in real terms according to the Honest John RealMPG thing) than the 1.4, and I can only imagine the 90PS would be the same but without the added expense in insurance and purchasing.

I wouldn't be surprised if they kept selling the 122PS 1.4 TSI for a while. It was supposed to be the most popular engine for private buyers in the Mk.6. I guess VAG UK's answer would be that they will keep selling them as long as people buy them. I wonder though what impact Ford's Ecoboost 1.0 engine will have? The headline figures are pretty amazing really, even if real performance isn't (Honest John says 40mpg or so, slightly worse than the 1.2 TSI Mk.6 Golfs). Will we see the 105PS 1.2 spreading to the SE? I wouldn't be surprised if quite a few people would be happy with that. The performance isn't that bad (it's better than the 1.6 TDI to 62mph) and they're pretty close efficiency wise once you adjust for the price of diesel. The 125PS 1.0 Ecoboost is available on the top-of-the-line Titanium X spec in the Focus.

I agree, VW UK really limit the choice far too much.

Audi have recently announced the 1.2 TSI 105 for the new A3 and it looks great value at £17,900 in SE trim. Spec on that isn't bad with 16in alloys, MMI & AMI, Leather MFSW and DIS. Also offered in Sport and S-Line trims for those wanting more. The Golf on the other hand is restricted to the basic S trim for that engine missing nearly all the equipment mentioned and barely any cheaper at £17295.

Its a similar story comparing the A1 1.2 TFSI SE with the Polo 1.4 Match (same power output), barely any more expense yields a better equipped car with a far nicer engine and stronger residual values combined with lower running costs.

J400uk
11-03-2013, 07:28 PM
Anyone interested should take a look at the thread I've made here - 1.4 TSI ACT now offered in the Audi A3 for £2k less (http://www.vwaudiforum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?143586-1-4-TSI-ACT-now-offered-in-the-Audi-A3-for-%A32k-less)

Audi are offering the 1.4 TSI ACT in the A3 for £20k in SE trim