My Golf Arrived At Dealer

[Evil Dan]

My car has now tracked as delivered to the dealer, but I am having an ongoing problem with the CO2 emissions of the 1.4 GT with ACT and DSG. It has appeared on the DVLA's website as 112gCO2 instead of the quoted 110g when I ordered and VW don't seem to know for certain what is going on given the fact the 3 and 5 door are 110gCO2 across Europe yet the figure appears to be different here. I'm hoping it's still an error but this appears to have gone to a high level in customer support and I'm still awaiting an answer.

The decision is whether to collect the car now or wait till March 1st. Getting it a whole 2 months early would negate any financial issues with it being a 62 vs 13 plate.

[G0rdon]

Good news. Mine's still showing as 'In transit' as it has done for the past couple of weeks so, hopefully, that should change this forthcoming week. My local dealer received 6 on Friday but mine wasn't one of them, unfortunately!

[mactrack]

The VW website lists this model as being 112g/km now, previous brochures have it at 110g/km, and I confirmed this with a VW dealer yesterday after a test drive.

[Evil Dan]

The VW website lists this model as being 112g/km now, previous brochures have it at 110g/km, and I confirmed this with a VW dealer yesterday after a test drive.

It was changed late Friday afternoon. Prior to this it was listed as 110g everywhere on the website. I have 6 of the European brochures (Ireland, German, French, Swiss, Portugese and Norwegian) which all list the model as 110gCO2/km and those figures should also be recognised in the UK. I'll wait on VW's high level customer support to get back to me as the dealers will only be regurgitating figures. Another anomaly is the 5-door manual GT with 1.4 ACT does 117gCO2/km according to the DVLA website, yet is listed as 112g in the pricelist and the 3-door manages 109g.

[Crasher]

VW Germany lists it as 110g.

[Evil Dan]

Have arranged to collect my car on Tuesday coming so I should at least have some impressions/photos up by Wednesday.

Still trying to resolve the CO2 issue with VW, but it seems the 112gCO2 is the official UK figure for the 5-door 1.4 ACT GT with DSG.

[J400uk]

Impressed you are getting it so early, must be one of the first owners!

Regarding the CO2 I suspect the DSG and fact its 5dr increase it slightly, have seen similar before. Seems a bit cheeky that they are adjusting the brochure figures at the last minute though.

[glospete]

The decision is whether to collect the car now or wait till March 1st. Getting it a whole 2 months early would negate any financial issues with it being a 62 vs 13 plate.
I didn't quite understand your comment above? But obviously you've decided to get it early and as your spec is almost the same as mine I'll be interested in your impressions.

[sebtomato]

I would be really annoyed if they had stated 110g Co2 on their brochures, and then changed it to 112g Co2. I am sure you could get VW to pay for the difference in tax paid over at least 3 years.

[Evil Dan]

I didn't quite understand your comment above? But obviously you've decided to get it early and as your spec is almost the same as mine I'll be interested in your impressions.

Obviously the resale value of a 62 plate car will be slightly less than that of a 13 plate, but probably insignificant enough not to be a problem.

[Evil Dan]

I would be really annoyed if they had stated 110g Co2 on their brochures, and then changed it to 112g Co2. I am sure you could get VW to pay for the difference in tax paid over at least 3 years.

Latest development is I've had to get a letter from my accountant to confirm the amount I've had to pay in extra tax based on the error and will have to see what they come back with (only emailed the letter this evening). Sadly it means the Tuesday collection is very unlikely, as I won't be able to reject the car under the Sale Of Goods Act if I've collected it then decide I can't agree compensation.

[sebtomato]

If the Co2 rating was changed after you ordered the car, I don't think they would have any choice but to pay for the difference in tax. I don't think you should reject the car, given the time it takes to get a new one. If they don't want to pay, you can always go to the small claim tribunal and this would be an easy win anyway.

[Crasher]

I would be really annoyed if they had stated 110g Co2 on their brochures, and then changed it to 112g Co2. I am sure you could get VW to pay for the difference in tax paid over at least 3 years.

Does it make that much of a difference to get really annoyed with them? I don't know anything about company car tax and Co2 taxation and I am interested to know how much in £ this would cost.

[Evil Dan]

Does it make that much of a difference to get really annoyed with them? I don't know anything about company car tax and Co2 taxation and I am interested to know how much in £ this would cost.

For me it means paying an extra £6400 tax this year.

[sebtomato]

Does it make that much of a difference to get really annoyed with them? I don't know anything about company car tax and Co2 taxation and I am interested to know how much in £ this would cost.
Surely, you are able to read my full post, beyond the first few words??

Not that hard to work out the tax to be paid based on the Co2 rating of a car (at least for a company car).
The tax rate would be 12% for 105 to 109, and 13% for 110 to 114 for a petrol car (so actually, 110 or 112 makes no difference)

Multiplied by the value of the car, this gives the amount taxable per year.

Example: Co2 rating is 109
Tax rate=12%
Car value= £25,000
Income tax rate=41%
Company car tax= 12% x £25,000 x 41% = £1,332 per year

[Evil Dan]

Surely, you are able to read my full post, beyond the first few words??

Not that hard to work out the tax to be paid based on the Co2 rating of a car.
The tax rate would be 12% for 105 to 109, and 13% for 110 to 114 for a petrol car (so actually, 110 or 112 makes no difference)

Multiplied by the value of the car, this gives the amount taxable per year.

This is for benefit in kind for company cars.

I am a sole trader and I would be able to claim 100% of the car's value against tax in the first year if it is 110gCO2 (which is the reason for my purchase), however I can only claim 18% in the first year if it is between 111-160gCO2.

[sebtomato]

This is for benefit in kind for company cars.

I am a sole trader and I would be able to claim 100% of the car's value against tax in the first year if it is 110gCO2 (which is the reason for my purchase), however I can only claim 18% in the first year if it is between 111-160gCO2.
Quite a big difference indeed! but you would also need to deduct your private use, so probably not 100% of the car value to start with...

[Evil Dan]

Quite a big difference indeed! but you would also need to deduct your private use, so probably not 100% of the car value to start with...

That is with my personal use deducted (It's 2/3rds business and 1/3rd personal) plus I'm a 40% tax payer.

[sebtomato]

But then don't you get to claim 65% of the car value against tax rather than 100% as you stated?

[Evil Dan]

But then don't you get to claim 65% of the car value against tax rather than 100% as you stated?

Yes, but then I'd only get 65% of 18% too.

Personally that is correct but the fact is it is possible to claim the full value against tax vs the usual 18% and the change in the CO2 emissions is the root cause.

[J400uk]

I'm surprised they can't get it changed by the DVLA. Last time I had a Golf it was 149g/ km co2 on the V5 even though its 'official' figure was 151g/ km co2, so we ended up paying less tax than we should have.

[Crasher]

Dan, £6400 extra per year for 2 grams of Co2! I don't get these stupid socialist Co2 tax rules, bonkers!

Seb, I am not having a go at you, I genuinely do not have a clue about these Co2 taxes and I was asking for information, not a lecture in mathematics!

[iallen1@btinter]

My old man been out in mk 7 today says its superb much better than the mk 6

[andyCYM]

Have arranged to collect my car on Tuesday coming so I should at least have some impressions/photos up by Wednesday.

Still trying to resolve the CO2 issue with VW, but it seems the 112gCO2 is the official UK figure for the 5-door 1.4 ACT GT with DSG.

If you placed your order because VW then said was CO2 of 110g and they now accept that it is in fact 112g, seems to me you would have a strong case for misrepresentation. I think (I'm not a lawyer!) that you could cancel the order or go after them for damages. Suspect VW would rather you cancel the order....

[Evil Dan]

If you placed your order because VW then said was CO2 of 110g and they now accept that it is in fact 112g, seems to me you would have a strong case for misrepresentation. I think (I'm not a lawyer!) that you could cancel the order or go after them for damages. Suspect VW would rather you cancel the order....

Certainly the car is not as purchased so I am protected under the Sale Of Goods Act to receive a full refund of deposit, as long as I don't collect it knowing it is different to that which I ordered. I have offered what I feel is a fair solution to VW which means me being cost neutral at the end of the 3rd tax year of ownership, but I think if that's not successful my next step will be the consumer column of Autocar/What Car to generate VW some negative publicity plus I would go to trading standards as the incorrect advertising of the CO2 emissions also breaches EU law.

[iallen1@btinter]

does this make a difference to the vehicle tax then

[Evil Dan]

does this make a difference to the vehicle tax then

Yes. It moves it from band B to band C. It's still free in the first year then £30 a year instead of £20 a year after that.

[iallen1@btinter]

I suppose its not about the extra money but as a matter of principle vw should pay the difference what a **** up on their part, slightly off topic they massively overfilled my tsi with oil stating the engine takes 3.6 litres when in fact it takes 3.45 if they dont know how much oil an engine takes then god help the rest of us

[iallen1@btinter]

i didnt use a swear word and they blanked it out strange

[Crasher]

I would not say 0.15 of a litre is "massively overfilled", but overfilled is over filled and they should have checked it.

[iallen1@btinter]

They quoted me 3.6 litres as the correct amount but they must have put more in as the oil level was an inch over the max mark that was Gilder vw in sheffield

[Evil Dan]

They quoted me 3.6 litres as the correct amount but they must have put more in as the oil level was an inch over the max mark that was Gilder vw in sheffield

That's disappointing. They are my local dealer too.

It's nearly a week since there was any development with VW. Hopefully there will be some movement this week, but I'm not feeling they are wanting to sort things out at this stage. Car still sitting at the dealership....

[iallen1@btinter]

i could tell u a few shocking stories about them

[Evil Dan]

So I've sorted things with VW and I'll be collecting the car at the start of March. Shame there are no videos of the electric seats or keyless entry, so we'll just see what comes then!

[steve scott]

I'm glad I didn't go for the petrol DSG car now. I also decided on the golf for its sub 110g co2 for 100% tax write down - Wouldn't have looked at the brand otherwise. I ordered the manual TDi as doing the maths it should make further savings when running the car, but I was very tempted with the TSi DSG as it generally gets better write ups.

Whilst it's all a little bit late for you now, I insisted with my dealer that sub 110g CO2 formed part of the sale agreement. Dropping from 100% tax write down to 18% residual value makes a massive difference and means you could be looking at more interesting cars in the same tax bracket.

All a bit academic as from next tax year, the threshold for 100% write down drops to 95g CO2... nothing interesting at that level

PS - Keyless entry is cool!

[Evil Dan]

Latest update is that the CO2 emissions of the 1.4 GT with ACT and DSG is officially being revised back to the original 110gCO2/km. This is great news for me as I'll be able to get the 100% tax write down. VW were paying me some compensation but this is no longer necessary.

Agree next year will be a waste of time. Just a shame the 109gCO2/km GTD isn't out till later this year!

[mactrack]

Latest update is that the CO2 emissions of the 1.4 GT with ACT and DSG is officially being revised back to the original 110gCO2/km. This is great news for me as I'll be able to get the 100% tax write down. VW were paying me some compensation but this is no longer necessary.

Agree next year will be a waste of time. Just a shame the 109gCO2/km GTD isn't out till later this year!

Do you if this will be for all cars coming through? Our 1.4 ACT DSG is being built next week and it would be small consolation if it did get registered with the DVLA as being 110g/km although I would have still preferred LED DRLs instead!

[Evil Dan]

Do you if this will be for all cars coming through? Our 1.4 ACT DSG is being built next week and it would be small consolation if it did get registered with the DVLA as being 110g/km although I would have still preferred LED DRLs instead!

My understanding is this would be for all cars including those already built and to be built as the engine is the same. I only got the call from the dealer today, but they are going to give me a letter confirming this as it will take a little while for the DVLA to update their database online. I'll let you know when I get the letter.

[steve scott]

Can't say for the car's CO2 output (but it only really matters if you're looking to buy it on company expense as the personal tax liability isn't that different). But for your lights, you should have a chat with VW if you think you were misled into ordering xenons without LED DLRs...

[mactrack]

Can't say for the car's CO2 output (but it only really matters if you're looking to buy it on company expense as the personal tax liability isn't that different). But for your lights, you should have a chat with VW if you think you were misled into ordering xenons without LED DLRs...
As the car is a private purchase it's only the ongoing VED charge that will change for us, and that's only £10 less, so not a biggie either way.

When the no-memory electric seats and LED DRL issues were announced our car was still unconfirmed for build and therefore we were given the option remove both. We did ditch the seats, which saved over £2K, but actually want Xenon lights for their intended purpose.

I did contact VW UK to moan in general about their ineptitude and got a bit extra off.

[Evil Dan]

So the dealer has emailed me a Certificate Of Conformity from Wolfsburg. It's in German but it has my vehicle's VIN on it and it states that the CO2 figures are:

133g/km urban
96g/km extra-urban
110g/km combined

The l/100km figures are:

5.8l urban
4.1l extra-urban
4.7l combined

It's dated Thursday so that was pretty quick!

[jk88]

Spookily recieved the V5 in the post today just an hour after picking up the car, however can confirm that CO2 rating reads 110g/Km for the 1.4 GT DSG