OEM Xenon Retrofit B6

[f33nix]

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[richball65]

Mark,

I deffo be intersted as I was told the other day by those nice chaps at Awesome Gti that the cheap way of converting your lights to Xenons will soon be illegal, but if you can come up with a "how to guide" doing it the correct way I would be more than interested.

Cheers

Rich

[f33nix]

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[richball65]

Here here I'd say, getting a bit OCD this retrofitting with me though....sod it !!!!

[richball65]

Or you could just ask these chaps to do it :aargh4:

http://www.vwcruise.com/51.html



Rich

[johnloaderuk]

Or you could just ask these chaps to do it :aargh4:

http://www.vwcruise.com/51.html



Rich

So that looks like £1425 for the lights alone, then another £600 for the auto levelling to make them almost legal, but it says nothing about the headlight wash system which also requires a different front bumper plus all the hoses, pipework and any recoding that's required. The factory originals also have a larger windscreen washer bottle to cope with the extra wash fluid required - unless I've missed all this on their web site.

The optional price of £990 when the car is new now seem a bargain.

[f33nix]

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[g-black]

That's crazy money!! Is it really worth it when you could buy HIDs? You could remove them for MOT of your really fussy. Let's face it, auto levelling doesn't always stop the blinding off oncoming traffic.

[f33nix]

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[rapport25]

Both are vaild points.

I wonder how you would get on telling the insurance you have retro fitted xenons?

I will be doing the same as G Black. If it fails I will remove them.

[f33nix]

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[PatMcCoy]

Around here where i live we get mot checks on the side of the road

[g-black]

Would it really affect your insurance? I haven't told mine about my HIDs as didn't think changing a bulb would make much of a difference.

[rapport25]

Insurance is a joke. I know when we had the snow most would not cover you if you fitted snow tyres :confused:.

I know the issues with aftermarket hids. See my thread on new mot laws.

Correctly adjusted aftermarket hids in projector lenses are fine. :approve:

[johnloaderuk]

Would it really affect your insurance? I haven't told mine about my HIDs as didn't think changing a bulb would make much of a difference.

Aftermarket HID's are illegal unless they fully comply with the rules and regs as set out in the link below. They must have the correct e markings, be levelled completely automatically, and have a headlight wash system fitted. They will currently pass an MOT but are not legal if used on the road, that's why the MOT test is being changed. If the insurance company find out you are using a car with illegal equipment/features they can cancel your insurance, which basically means you are driving without insurance - and that means big trouble. VOSA and the police are now starting to check for aftermarket HID's at roadside check points.

http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roadsafety/drs/hidheadlamps

[f33nix]

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[reynard55]

Aftermarket HID's are illegal unless they fully comply with the rules and regs as set out in the link below. They must have the correct e markings, be levelled completely automatically, and have a headlight wash system fitted. They will currently pass an MOT but are not legal if used on the road,
http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roadsafety/drs/hidheadlamps

John
You have quoted this many times on this forum. You are not correct, read your link carefully. The main point is 'In the Department's view it is not legal'
The DfT do not make the law, the courts decide if it is legal, not some bureaucrat with a bee in his bonnet. I am not aware of them bringing the matter to court in a test case either.
Automotive lights have to comply with constructiion and use regulations, not full homologation procedures.
However you are right about the insurance, the blood sucking parasites in the insurance company would look for any excues not to pay out.

[johnloaderuk]

John
You have quoted this many times on this forum. You are not correct, read your link carefully

I disagree. Watch and listen to this all the way through http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/videos/featuresvideos/204742/xenon_test.html then read the previous link again very carefully, it clearly states the requirements to be met. Maybe you choose to read it your way, and you don't see, or maybe don't want to see what it says.

[johnloaderuk]

I wonder how you would get on telling the insurance you have retro fitted xenons?

Small interesting article http://hid.moonfruit.com/#/insurance/4529652056

[reynard55]

I disagree. Watch and listen to this all the way through http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/videos/featuresvideos/204742/xenon_test.html then read the previous link again very carefully, it clearly states the requirements to be met. Maybe you choose to read it your way, and you don't see, or maybe don't want to see what it says.

Ah yes, Auto Express, the comic that makes the Beano look mature!

I think we will have to agree to differ on HID's fitted in to corectly set projector lamps.

[f33nix]

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[rapport25]

On a lighter note, my lights should turn up tomorrow... more parts needed though I think.

Supplier checked them out and found a "hole" where a module should go. Upon checking with his supplier it seems that it is for the AFS module.

Will be looking them over tomorrow to see what more will be needed.

:D. Remember to post your pics as you rip the sat to pieces :approve:. I'm interested to see how its done.

Rappy :approve:

[f33nix]

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[johnloaderuk]

My head is spinning from sorting out all the parts needed. Think I shall try and stick to my 2 stage plan, though that could all change tomorrow when I get my mitts on the goods.

Could be a busy weekend ahead by the sound of it. Hope it all goes to plan. It will be interesting to see how it turns out.

[fabusy]

As far as I know the HID are legal if fitted to Passats. This is because the car has a projector lens which beams the light where it should be. I have the cheap HIDs fitted to mine and I had my car mot'd last month no probs....

[f33nix]

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[rapport25]

Lights have arrived and so has the headache! Ah well in for a penny in for a pound they say.

The headlights come with sidelight and a cornering H7 bulb.
Seems you need some extra parts as they are sold for cars involved in crash damage.

Have created a list of parts that are needed.
2x D1S Bulbs
2x 4L0 907 391 Ballast

I still need -
2x 3D0 941 160 A Retaining clip for the D1S bulbs

2x 7L6 941 329 A Think this is a control module, has a German name
2x 3C0 941 405 Retaining plate
2x 3C0 941 119 A Seal
2x 8E0 941 183 Hex Bolts 4x14mm (8 needed in total)

Kufatec harness

This is just to get the lamp working. Still need to add Auto Levelling and headlamp washers.

Sounds expensive :(.

Will be interested to hear the total time to fit and cost to purchase all the parts.

Rappy.

[f33nix]

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[borakev]

Lights have arrived and so has the headache! Ah well in for a penny in for a pound they say.

The headlights come with sidelight and a cornering H7 bulb.



My side lights in my bixenon lights seem very yellow compared to the dipped lights, which is beginning to bug me, so it might be worth changing the bulbs, if you can, for a whiter or bluer one depending on your preference before you fit everything in to the car.

cheers

kev

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[borakev]

Valid point, there are two versions of the headlamp sold AFAIK. One comes with normal "yellow" bulb and the other comes with a blue bulb.

Mine has the blue sidelight bulb, though I already have got some white LED's fitted to my current headlamps so will be fitting those instead as the colour match is very close indeed.


Many thanks and it will sure help someone else of they want to fit these.

p.s. if you have any pics of the car (washer jets etc) that may help me feel free to post them up.

I had a look at my bulbs and they are blue tinted but they are definitely a more yellowy light than the xenons, but if you have the LED then thats better.

I have took some general shots of the headlights and the location of the washer jets. I'll add them on when I can get them on to the computer.

Is there anything in particular you want to see on the front or under the bonnet and I will try and get a picture for you.
cheers

Kev

[f33nix]

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[borakev]

mark, here are some pictures of the headlights with the location of the washers.

I'll try and get some pictures of the sensors when I'm near the car when there is some daylight.

hope they are of some help.

cheers
Kev

[f33nix]

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[borakev]

Cheers Kev

They are lower down the bumper than I guessed they would be.

Another £400 spent on the lights ~£1,200 so far!

Still got to get all the parts ordered from Kufatec (not great communications) which I think will be around another £500.

Also need the headlight washers still.

They are quite low down but they arent as obvious as on some other cars.
Im lookn forward to see this go together as I have no idea what is involved with the lights
Cheers
Kev

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[f33nix]

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[RicardoA4Sline]

Fair game to you going to this extent. I have had the whole shall I fit a retro kit, but its really not worth it in my mind.

Also not going to have the whole insurance caper kill things. Even your OEM kit needs to be declared. Some insurers will treat it as a mod and charge accordingly, even for factory extras as I once found out when they didnt fit larger wheels the car had come from factory with after having paid the extra.....took some sorting.

I have them on my Lotus....but they are declared to the insurer who are only bothered about something that increases the power ;)

[f33nix]

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[rapport25]

I think I just like the challenge of it all really, keeps me occupied.

I mostly wanted to do it because of the new MOT laws that seem to be on the way soon.


Still waiting for Kufatec bits, reckon by the time they arrive I shall be selling the car I think.

I 'm pleased you like a challenge :approve:. I have a bit of news on the mot law. It's not going to happen well not as recently as was discussed :approve:.

Mine went for its MOT a few weeks ago now. And I never said anything about the lights. It passed no problems.

The only thing was the Mot tester commented on my led lights interior/exterior as he liked very much. Also he asked about my hid kit :biglaugh:.

He had said that hid lighting is a bit of a grey area with the law. He had said in his eyes it will not be inforced due to the time and training people would need. Also the cost increase for the MOT test.

There are only 2 things that he checks for on lighting.

(1) It is correctly adjusted and does not glare. Which they use a light box to test. Mine passed with a perfect cut of because it has projector lenses fitted.

(2)Also the colour of the light should either be white or white with a touch of blue.

He has failed cars with aftermarket hid kits that have:-

(1) Incorrectly adjusted and give off plenty of glare. These are mainly reflector headlights. His words not mine :approve:

(2) Also the colour of the light very blue not white or white with a hint of blue. :approve:

Both of these would equal a fail.

For now mine will stay as is.

Rappy :approve:.

[f33nix]

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[rapport25]

I feel for you f33nix. Yet again another case of rip of britain :aargh4:

[f33nix]

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[f33nix]

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[billythetidd]

Yup just renewed my insurance today (3 weeks early), extra year of no claims (think I have about 7yrs now) and it is £925 fully comp and protected, last year was ~£888 so not bad :o

How much! I have only 3 yrs no claims, fully comp, renewed about 2 months ago and I'm only paying £500

[f33nix]

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[HIDorigin]

Lights have arrived and so has the headache! Ah well in for a penny in for a pound they say.

The headlights come with sidelight and a cornering H7 bulb.
Seems you need some extra parts as they are sold for cars involved in crash damage.

Have created a list of parts that are needed.
2x D1S Bulbs
2x 4L0 907 391 Ballast

I still need -
2x 3D0 941 160 A Retaining clip for the D1S bulbs
{These don't fit my headlamps! So hope bulb does not shake loose.}


2x 7L6 941 329 A Think this is a control module, has a German name
2x 3C0 941 405 Retaining plate
2x 3C0 941 119 A Seal
1x 8E0 941 183 Hex Bolts 4x14mm (8 needed in total)
{Need only 1 Pack, use 6 per lamp and the retaining plate comes with 4 screws. Need another 4 in total to mount ballast}

Kufatec harness

This is just to get the lamp working. Still need to add Auto Levelling and headlamp washers.


2x D1S Bulbs
2x 4L0 907 391 Ballast

I can help out with these OEM parts at the best price (guaranteed) The valeo 6g are not in stock but I have a good supply.

[f33nix]

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[HIDorigin]

Nice to hear from you again Mark. I'd love to see how the kit looks fitted on your car and hear your feedback. I will watch this space Good luck.
Regards Vincent
+44 (0)20 8144 3826

[f33nix]

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[martin1810]

Coding is on my site at; https://sites.google.com/site/1810martin/coding-central-electrics-1
Byte 00 bit 1 xenons installed
Byte 01 bit 1 headlight washers installed
Byte 03 bit 4 Bi-xenons installed (shutter)
Byte 17 bit 1 Deactivation of additional highbeam with xenons.

To disable byte 17 bit 1...you activate it.

[f33nix]

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[f33nix]

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[martin1810]

I have looked through over 50 central electrics codings. None of them uses Byte 03 bit 4.
They do use Byte 00 bit 1, which suggests that you can only use that one. Have you got the height sensor fitted. You can have problems if this isn't present.

[f33nix]

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[f33nix]

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[martin1810]

I can't follow your wiring scheme. I thought the Bixenons plugged into the central electrics controller using a couple of 11 pin plugs, just like the normal headlights. According to my understanding pin 6 on the brown connector works the left shutter and pin 5 on the black connector works the right shutter. The side lights are the same feed for normal and bixenon.
The bixenon feed is just the normal dip beam feed.
I didn't know the controller came in highline and medium versions.

[f33nix]

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[martin1810]

That's strange because VW seem to change the last letters each time a new one comes out, not because of options. I guess you will find out when you ask a dealer.

[f33nix]

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[johnloaderuk]

I admire your determination and you ability to carry out this task properly, and not go down the usual route of just fitting aftermarket HID in the current headlights, although I shudder to think how much it has cost you so far. I hope you find the end result extremely worthwhile. Hopefully you will be able to remember all you have done in case anyone else wants to do the same job on here.

[f33nix]

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